Where did all the love go?

[rpwillia]

+1

Bad comparison - Let me amend it. A guy in a Miata isn't going to wave to guy is a chevy S 10

Are they using all 5 fingers to wave? Sorry couldn't resist.

Actually I think it is pretty cool that Adventure Time is on the water. Isn't that what it is all about at the end of the day? I like all boats, but I really Love my Catalina as the boat has treated me right, it sails great and is comfortable. Everyone has their preferences, and who can say what is best for anyone except the person themselves (hmmm, now I sound like a Libertarian).

I will say I have seen power boats (and sailboaters) do some crazy things. Generally on the Potomac most people wave and are very friendly. One evening another sailboat and I were returning from a race in tandem (about 50' from each other) and a big power boat came and went between us. Really? He had the whole river and he needed to go between us?

All that being said, a bad day on the water is better than a good day at work.

 

[justsomeguy]

Congesture? How so?

(Cough-cough) You're right. Re-reading his one-and-only post, it does seem he's blaming his perceived loss of love on a specific boat, but I'd like to hear more.

 

[higgs]

Missing your point, justsomeguy.

 

[Winkfish]

I have to agree with JSG here. We know very little about what actually happened, like what the other boaters were doing. To think that another boater just "refused" to wave, and then assume why he or she "refused" to wave is just taking too big of a leap. Whether I'm on a sailboat or my fishing boat, sometimes I wave and sometimes I don't. It's got nothing to do with the "other boat". It's got to do with what's happeneing at the moment. For the same reasons, occasionally I don't return a wave.

Now, if the OP waved, and the other boater looked over, shook his head in a disapproving way, then carried on, then you may have a point.

But as of now, it's all conjecture.

 

[justsomeguy]

Missing your point, justsomeguy.

The cough referenced the congesture.

The part about re-reading his post was in deference to your observation.

 

[anchorclanker]

Regardless of the OP and this thread, snobbery exists. We all know it, and it exists to a greater or lesser degree just about everywhere. The minute I read Annapolis, I was like "well, I would expect that there", and ive never even been there. I mean, come on man, its "ANNAPOLIS". But then, so is Minnetonka, "MINNETONKA".

As others said though, who cares? I fix boats, and ive boated half my life. The snobs in the big shiney stuff most often only wave when you are having a problem and need assistance. Wave and chuckle and sail right on by. Its the guys with the scruffy boats who are most likely to come to a boaters aid. I am generalizing and I know everyone isnt that way, and appologies to those of means who arent. But your the exception rather than the rule.

I've been to some car events, rallies and the like with Euro cars. Its the same. the MB guys flash lights at other MB's, but most of the guys driving the high dollar MB's wont flash an old diesel or SL. Its to far beneath them. Same with the Ferrari crowd, except for many in the vintage group who after wrenching on one with their own hands for several years, recognize the guys at the lower end of being on equal footing.

I have no time for snobs. They can go their own way, and I will go mine. But always remember. After they pass you and laugh at your problem, pray they need some assistance later down the road. I like to see them humble themselves to your friendly efforts after being a jerk to you.

 

[AdventureTime]

Let me explain. No, there is too much, let me sum up:

There's been some discussion of unreturned waves and SUV's vs. Roadsters. I have previously returned a wave from a motorcycle to a ten speed, so I'm not really all about the sanctity of that dynamic, and neither attempted nor recorded mentally or otherwise any offense on that front.

Since some details are now required, I'll produce, at least sketchily:
- Took all of 4 minutes to put boat in water and get gone. Guys (and one gal) horribly offended by the wait due to the scale of their endeavor vs. mine.
- Got an obvious blowoff on a friendly conversation attempt when trying to engage in some unique attributes for the rest of our day, such as 12-15kts blowing up the bay, two clouds, and we're both alive.
- Vessels refusing to yield right of way while under sail (motor was up and off, a good combination)
- Snarky remarks at the marina, which I reserve exclusively for the first mate, and our respective children.

My fragile sensibilities will surely survive, but for a guy who just cracked the piggy bank to get out on the water, in an area I've a sailed when it was relative desolation, it's a bothersome pill, hence my post.

All good here though. Hit 6kts on a broad reach with a main that apparently came off the set of Waterworld, and let the rugrats swim on a sandy beach with no one else in sight. Just forgot the hotdogs.

With some epoxy and TLC, I could care less about my standing at the club. But I posted because: Hey, what's with the attitude, and... Hey, It's not beyond the realm of possibility that I can outsail you sir ( and M'am) on your own damn boat. So why the attitude? (never mind, I get it, I guess).

 

[Chris Patterson]

I've said all my life, if you want some help, or local knowledge about unfamiliar waters, the guys in the little flat bottom fish boats, small outboard on it, maybe even a camo hat, there's yer watermen.

The big fish boats? That's a bottle-rocket, with the tail missing off of it..

 

[justsomeguy]

Go out again. Things will be different.
You'll likely have different people acting all uppity!

 

[Scott T-Bird]

I don't know, AT, it all sounds like rather run-of-the-mill rudeness that just goes with the territory to me. I'm not sure I understand the thin skin.

But it does remind me that there are places to go where kindness is like a breath of fresh air. My wife always comes back (to New Jersey) from North Carolina in a great mood. She loves the way everybody says "HI! How y'all doin?" She goes for a walk in her son's neighborhood and people wave from their porches and say "come on up for for some lemon-aide!" She goes into stores and people say "Hi, what can I do to help you?" She says it's just impossible to be in a bad mood when you meet total strangers who are so outwardly warm and friendly.

There really is something to "Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes"

 

[MrBill_FLL]

Have you all heard about the 1, 5 10, and 20 year wave?


When I was a kid on a canal in the Florda keys, We were leaving to go out on the boat, and I waved at some old guy on his dock.. he just looked up as we passed by.

So, I asked my Dad, why didn't he wave? and dad said he did, but its a 20 year wave.

What he explained was, when you 1st move to the canal, you wave and smile at every boat that goes by, after 5 years its s a less enthustisc wave, and by 10 years, its just a hand up.

After 20 years, waving is old and you just get 'the look'.


Waving at boats... I don't really do that much anymore either.

Don't take it personally.

 

[Sumner]

I don't know, AT, it all sounds like rather run-of-the-mill rudeness that just goes with the territory to me. I'm not sure I understand the thin skin.

But it does remind me that there are places to go where kindness is like a breath of fresh air. My wife always comes back (to New Jersey) from North Carolina in a great mood. She loves the way everybody says "HI! How y'all doin?" She goes for a walk in her son's neighborhood and people wave from their porches and say "come on up for for some lemon-aide!" She goes into stores and people say "Hi, what can I do to help you?" She says it's just impossible to be in a bad mood when you meet total strangers who are so outwardly warm and friendly.

There really is something to "Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes"

Yep, that is the way it is where we live. People don't have to think about their status position or others when responding to someone, they just do it. I'm glad we live somewhere where eye contact and communication with a stranger is still not to be feared and do understand that in some places you do need to avoid it,

Sum

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[Eddie7045]

"That's life

And as funny as it may seem

Some people get their kicks stomping on a dream"

 

[Merlin Clark]

I lived in Kansas for a summer after high school (1978) and rode my new Suzuki 550 all over the place. Then took an epic voyage out to the coast of Oregon. Whenever I saw a group of Harleys, they'd all look and wave. When it was a group of Goldwings, they couldn't be bothered with some kid on a smaller/cheaper bike.
Back then bikers rode Harleys and doctors and lawyers rode Goldwings. Sounds like too many doctors and lawyers in your sailing grounds.

edit: nothing wrong with your boat as long as it suits your needs and makes you happy!

 

[Les]

Well, damn, your Dad's explanation makes a lot of sense. It works for me.

 

[NotCook]

I'm wondering if these people you are talking about that won't return a wave to someone on a MacGregor X or M would also not wave if someone goes by them on anchor or underway in a powerboat, kayak or canoe?

Well, If they go by "on anchor" I suspect they will get waves, shouts and who knows what else, and the bigger they are, the more frantic the waves!

 

[AdventureTime]

A necessary follow up:

I take it all back. Mostly.

In the last two weeks of getting things ship-shape, I've encountered a larger sample of the sailing denizens of the mid-southern bay, and have found good sailors, good souls and many others similarly driven by the haunt of the brine, regardless of vessel or means.

Initially, I must have put on a particularly rusty Saturday, since I'm fairly certain I didn't bring the baggage myself; the impetus of my first post.

But should any wander here to learn about the expectations and attitudes of the mid Chesapeake: Come on in, the water's fine...

(Adventure Time now sports a new main, fresh halyards, and a penchant for distant shorelines. Thanks for the constructive comments. Momentary thin skin and all).

 

[AdventureTime]

These are NOT entry level boats. They are a waiting disaster for an entry level sailor. They require more and disparate activity than any other boat I've sailed. There are 3-4 combinations of congruence that need to happen to make this boat go optimally depending on conditions and intent, and a failure at any point (managing water ballast among others) can turn your day around fast.

Despite its muddy helm and rotund nature, if you want sail, it's a fun and challenging boat that will never hold its own vs. a fixed keel, but will give you 6kts at 45d with wind.

If you like to motor, it's dancing on the head of a pin (on a plane, your only connection to the water, with a helm so sloppy below 10kts you couldn't avoid a floating barn).

I would argue/prosthelytize that you can get alot out of this boat if you manage it well.

You can also create a problem you can't recover from if you manage it poorly, under sail or motor.

Diligence is the key. Which is not an entry-level intuition...

 

[Old Skool Neil]

I'm sorry if my entry level comment hit a nerve but you originally asked why you were treated a certain way and I was trying to offer a realistic view in response.

For other opinions that may help explain the original question here are 13 pages of discussion on the Boat Design.net forum:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/motorsailers/macgregor-26-not-good-water-ballast-general-18142.html

 

[Charlie Jones s/v Tehani]

Ya know there is an event every year called the "BEER Cruise" put on by TSBB'rs, in Pensacola Fl.

This year there were ELEVEN Macs in the fleet. A Classic 26, two 26 M's and eight 26 X models.

And three boats over 35 feet, AND a West Wight Potter 15.

Nobody sneered at the Macs.

Maybe you just saw the wrong folks??