diesel water separators

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Jun 4, 2013
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Hunter 376 Port Clinton
I have a Hunter 376 with a Yanmar3JH2E diesel engine. It came with an enclosed Racor filter unit and I was thinking of replacing it with a clear lower bowl to detect water in the fuel.
Any recommendations?
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Ted:

It depends on how much room you have and will you need to reroute the hoses. We replaced our Racor 110 with a couple of 120's. It is setup so I can switch from one filter to the other my changing a couple of valves.

If you have the room the bigger filter are probably better.
 

rfrye1

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Jun 15, 2004
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Hunter H376 San Diego
I replaced the OEM enclosed filter with a single Racor 120 in the same location as the OEM. I also put a separate fuel shut-off valve between filter and tank to make things easier when changing filters.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
I am so going to do that but also figure out an alternative location!
 
Apr 21, 2010
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Hunter 36 Vancouver
I have a Hunter 376 with a Yanmar3JH2E diesel engine. It came with an enclosed Racor filter unit and I was thinking of replacing it with a clear lower bowl to detect water in the fuel.
Any recommendations?
I installed the Racor FG 500 on my 2009 Hunter 36. It is under the aft right next to the water heater...tucked in real nice. It may be considered overkill by some, but, it has a large clear bowl to view for water or contaminants, if it ever plugs it is easy to change by just unscrewing the lid and re & re-ing the filter without having to purge the fuel system (at least not on my 3MY30). I like the dual system, but, you have to service (remove) the filter from below...can get messy.
 

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Dec 19, 2006
5,822
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Racor 500

I added a Racor 500 to my 2007 H-36 which is easy to change the filter and the filters are only about $9.00 and easy to drain water from it.
I now have 3 filters with the 2 stock filters aand the added Racor 500 with a 10 micron and have never had a problem,my Racor 500 is behind the engine next to the muffler and very easy to change and the 3YM30 is self priming.
Nick
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
If you have the room the bigger filter are probably better.
Not necessarily if you are concerned about water separation. There needs to be a minimum flow through the filter for the water separation feature to work well. Unfortunately, the smallest filter you can buy is marginal for small sailboat diesels from this standpoint so it may be moot.

I believe Rich H, our resident filter expert, has recommended removing the element if recirculating fuel through a Racor filter to remove water from the tank before starting the engine is the plan.

This is where an on board fuel polishing system that can move fuel much faster than the engine system is good to have. I've never seen a drop of water in my filter bowl, possibly because of my polishing system. If I were to start having water problems, after checking the "O" ring on my filler, I might install a small Racor in series with my big polishing filter and with the element removed as a water trap. I believe it is those spiral ridges you see inside the housing that promote the water separation.

http://www.cruisingonstrider.us/FOpolishing.htm

Hopefully, Rich will see this thread and confirm or correct what I've said.
 
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RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
For water 'knockout' be sure the 'filter' that is assigned that job is at the very lowest of the entire fuel delivery system !!!!! .... all fuel lines arranged so that water can drain back, in either direction, to the filter that does the water separation.

If you have a "non-spin off" filter housing and you want to use it as a water separator, simply use it without any filter cartridge, just leave it empty and placed in the lowest portion of the fuel delivery system. Especially if that filter housing has a bottom drain tap or a bottom drain 'plug', simply add a translucent 'Tygon' tube with a cock valve to the bottom, the valve on the very end of the 'tygon' tubing. When water is inside the empty filter housing, you will see it in the tygon tube; simply use the cock-valve to drain it - no need to air bleed the system after water drainage.
 
May 29, 2011
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Hunter H 240 rehoboth beach , De
3ym30 diesel filter

Hi Nick
I have a 3ym30 yanmar diesel.I did`nt know it was self priming.Are you sure its self priming.I was going to istall a 12v facet fuel pump with the racor filterfor priming if I ever needed that.
Richard
sailmaster39@yahoo.com


I added a Racor 500 to my 2007 H-36 which is easy to change the filter and the filters are only about $9.00 and easy to drain water from it.
I now have 3 filters with the 2 stock filters aand the added Racor 500 with a 10 micron and have never had a problem,my Racor 500 is behind the engine next to the muffler and very easy to change and the 3YM30 is self priming.
Nick
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,822
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Yes

When my 07 H-36 was at the dealer for it's first free oil and fuel filters the repair guy told me it was self priming and so when ever I have changed fuel filters it started right up with out me doing any priming at all.
I was told all the new 3YM's were self priming so try it next time you change your filters to check for sure.
Nick
 
Apr 21, 2010
50
Hunter 36 Vancouver
When my 07 H-36 was at the dealer for it's first free oil and fuel filters the repair guy told me it was self priming and so when ever I have changed fuel filters it started right up with out me doing any priming at all.
I was told all the new 3YM's were self priming so try it next time you change your filters to check for sure.
Nick
I just want to clarify something regarding replacing 3YM30 fuel filters. When I replace the fuel filter on the Racor 500 there is no need to purge the system. Only when I replace the small Yanmar fuel filter that is attached to the engine do I bleed that filter's container. After the latter is done (all air is removed) the automatic bleeder system on the 3YM30 does its job when you go to start the engine...there is no need to manually vent the fuel system. You must bleed the air from the filter container by loosening the nut on the top of the container and pump the small (very small) pump lever just behind and below the container until there are no more air bubbles. Tighten up the nut (Phillips head) and as I mentioned, the automatic bleeder system does the rest upon ignition. If you don't bleed the primary after a filter change it will be a rough and shaky start...if it starts at all.
Those with secondary fuel filters that have to be unscrewed from below (Racor 110's and 120?) may have to be bled through the primary filter on the Yanmar...I may be wrong since I swapped out the 110 to the 500 before my first filter change. There I flooded the Racor 500 with diesel after inserting the filter and there was no problem starting up. I replace the filters yearly and use a 2 micron filter on the Racor 500 and have had no problems.
Cheers!
Gord
 
Feb 1, 2011
281
sail boat dock
I am confused, I thought a 2 micron filer was hard on the lift pump. I see Steve Dion has one in his link, as well as Gord, reporting no problems. I recall RichH posting something about that.

Also, was wondering about Roger's mention of running Racor's in series for the fuel delivery.
To the original post,I mounted my Racor unit at the front of the engine so I could see it fast and drain it easy, after having some water issues.No need to reach over the hot engine to the rear wall, as mine only plugs when the engine is hot enough to burn, or I am in a tight channel with a 25 knot wind with a kayaker behind me.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
was wondering about Roger's mention of running Racor's in series for the fuel delivery.
That's only a top of the head idea for a situation in which you are having chronic and repeated intrusions of free water into your fuel system. This would probably only happen in a remote area where the fuel supply was routinely miss handled or contaminated in transit. I wouldn't do it unless the filter was removed from the Racor so that it was turned into a separator only.

As Rich pointed out, this unit would need to be placed in the lowest part of the fuel system and the clear bowl type with a drain.

I've never heard of a situation that would require this.

The most likely cause of finding a lot of water in your fuel system is a leaking filler cap. New "O" ring in that case.

Good time to mention that the business about keeping your tanks topped up so that air doesn't get pulled in and out with temperature changes is just uniformed legend. When I used to fly, we kept our tanks slack because the plane couldn't be flown in all loading conditions with full tanks. We checked the tank bottom drains for water like our lives depended on it (not a throw away phrase in this case). In ten years, I never saw a drop of water from condensation. Water would get in after heavy rains due to cheap filler caps that couldn't be replaced due to FAA regulations.

Diesel actually absorbs water so, if you a are going to worry about such condensation, you want to keep the tank as empty as possible so that the "wet" fuel will be diluted with new, fresh stuff.
 
Apr 21, 2010
50
Hunter 36 Vancouver
I am confused, I thought a 2 micron filer was hard on the lift pump. I see Steve Dion has one in his link, as well as Gord, reporting no problems. I recall RichH posting something about that.

Also, was wondering about Roger's mention of running Racor's in series for the fuel delivery.
To the original post,I mounted my Racor unit at the front of the engine so I could see it fast and drain it easy, after having some water issues.No need to reach over the hot engine to the rear wall, as mine only plugs when the engine is hot enough to burn, or I am in a tight channel with a 25 knot wind with a kayaker behind me.
Stretch,

True, the 2 micron filters on my Racor 500 has caused no hardships, but, just to ere on the safe side I'll replace them every 6 months. Going to 10 micron may be an option i'll look into. Im going to talk to a Yanmar rep tomorrow. If they say, go to a 10...so be it! My reasoning is, anything less than 10 microns it is said doesn't affect the injectors. Also, the Racor 500 is a big filtration system for such a small 3 cylinder motor. I chose it mainly for the see through bulb, water separation capabilities and the easy filter change (no fuss & no mess). It is a much larger pleated filter than what Hunter installed and I don't feel it taxes the fuel pump at all. I just use the stock or original Yanmar filter on the secondary engine mounted filter.

Something I came across while investigating employing 2 micron fuel filters.

"Racor's 2 micron filter medium should only be used in final or secondary filters where the fuel is first filtered by a primary filter. The primary filter for a 2 micron final filter should use a 10 micron medium. The exception in using a 2 micron filter in place of a primary filter is to obtain high-efficiency water separation, and is usually used in marine applications where the fuel supply may be cleaner but also may contain water more often. If the installation can allow the use of a filter large enough, then a 2 micron filter can serve in a system as the only filter in that system"

I'll get back to you on what the Yanmar people say!

Cheers!
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
I am confused, I thought a 2 micron filer was hard on the lift pump. I see Steve Dion has one in his link, as well as Gord, reporting no problems. I recall RichH posting something about that.
The Racor filters are coded as follows:
S = 2 Micron
T= 10 Micron
P = 30 Micron
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Filtration is highly statistical. Filters are not screens. A 2 micron filter will let some larger particles through, possibly some even larger than 10 microns. Some of the stuff you don't want to go through your engine is soft so the higher pressures that can sometimes develop using a finer filter may actually promote passage of particles that would be trapped in a coarser filter.

Only a constant recirculating system that give the fuel multiple passes and chances for particles to be trapped will get out all or most of the fine stuff.

(The word according to Rich H as interpreted by me.)
 
Feb 1, 2011
281
sail boat dock
Sorry, Steve, my mistake. Thanks for the help, Roger and Gord. I am interested in the 2 micron secondary in a Racor 150, after the 10 micron large filter I have now. I suppose I would leave off the engine mounted filter cartridge, in this case and use it as the last water trap. I did have to drain my tank to the last drop this spring from a bad gasket seal on my deck filler cap.

Any suggestions for a new and better deck filler assembly?. I need to rebed and replace it, as it is the original unit and the chrome has peeled off part of it.
Thanks again
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Stretch,

Something I came across while investigating employing 2 micron fuel filters.

"Racor's 2 micron filter medium should only be used in final or secondary filters where the fuel is first filtered by a primary filter. The primary filter for a 2 micron final filter should use a 10 micron medium. The exception in using a 2 micron filter in place of a primary filter is to obtain high-efficiency water separation, and is usually used in marine applications where the fuel supply may be cleaner but also may contain water more often. If the installation can allow the use of a filter large enough, then a 2 micron filter can serve in a system as the only filter in that system"

I'll get back to you on what the Yanmar people say!

Cheers!
The above quote is taken out of context - warning !!!!!

There is no NEED for a 2µM filter on any Yanmar or other small marine diesel.
Typical maximum filtration for a 'historically dirty' fuel system is: tank --> 30µM --> 10µM --> engine mounted 'guard' filter @ 15-17µM --> engine.

Yanmars and most other marine diesels are designed around 'the 20µM as the most damaging particle concept'. As previously stated by others, these filters are not all that efficient in partical removal and can pass particles much larger than their 'rating'.

Why 20µM and filtration to 'protect at less than 20µM?
2 reasons:
1. 20µM has been found to be historically the most damaging particle in diesel engines.
2. your injector tip has an equivalent orfice diameter of ~100-125µM and to ensure that particles wont 'bridge' across the orfice thus blocking it, history shows that you need a 20µM filter.
Most 'orfices' need to be protected by filters etc. that can remove particles that are 1/4 to 1/5 the size of that orfice ... or they usually become blocked.

A 2µM rated filter will have 5-10X the 'flow rate restriction' of a 10µM .... meaning that if you replace a 10µM with a 2µM (for any reason) and to have the exact flow conditions of the original 10µM, you will need into INCREASE the surface area of the 2µM by FIVE TIMES (or need 5 times as many 2µM installed !) .... or you will experience 5 TIME the differential pressure across that 2µM and will need to change the 2µM five times more ofter.

Further, a 2µM is a quite bad idea as most 'particles' in contaminated diesel fuel are 'soft' and easily deformable and with smaller particles in nature there will be exponentially more of them present in the fluid .... and upon increasing differential pressure on a filter can 'extrude' right through a 'tighter' filter than the 'usual' 10µM (or the normal engine mounted 'guard' filter).
With extrusion of soft 'gels' and other deformables (the typical debris from 'bio-contamination'), expect to be cleaning 'coked-on carbon' deposits a LOT more often from your exhaust system as these soft particles do not burn very well in the combustion chambers. With lower operating pressure drop across a 10µM, it will better 'retain' the soft/deformables.

30µM (if you normally get a lot of 'hard' crud from your tank) --> 10µM --> 15µM in the small engine 'guard' filter --> engine.

;-)
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,183
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Sure am glad you're around Rich H. I almost drank the Cool Aid. FWIW, I use Baldwin filters since it's the most common in the truck service places near my boat and I can get them for all three cars, the primary and secondary on the boat and the boat oil filter too.
 
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