Yan 2GM20F Secondary Filter

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Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
I've got a Yanmar 2GM20F in my '86 Hunter 28.5. I'd like to get an idea about how often other owners of this engine change the cartridge in the secondary fuel filter -- in terms of either year(s) or engine hours.

I used to change this filter annually, but it was always pristine. I now change it every 3 years (and it is still pristine) and I typically put 50+/- hrs on the engine each season.
 
Jan 4, 2006
7,583
Hunter 310 West Vancouver, B.C.
I usually put about 120 hrs/year on my engine.

Are you sure you haven't been looking over my shoulder re changing fuel filters ? I started out every year (as you have) and they were pristine. It has now been five years since I last changed and I still don't expect to see anything when I get around to it.

In addition, I find the filter media is as physically tough after several years in service as a new filter. And contrary to what has been said on this site several times, the filter material does NOT absorb water. So far, I have not been able to find anything in any manufacturer's literature that address decomposition with time in fuel.
 
Oct 25, 2011
576
Island Packet IP31 Lake St. Louis, Montreal
OK, I should not admit this. On my previous boat, with a little Yanmar YSE8, I never changed the filter in 12 years (not even when I bought the boat:redface:). During that time we put more that 1200 hours on the engine without any fuel issues what so ever.

Please do not take the above as a recommendation as, even I have learned something in the meantime. (Preventive maintenance is good practice). When we bought our current boat, I changed all filters before we left on the delivery trip and I will change them again this spring.

Matt
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,197
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
The specification on that filter is 10-15 microns.. Lots of folks have a finer element in the primary.. so the fuel is pretty clean by the time it gets to the secondary..
 

DougM

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Jul 24, 2005
2,242
Beneteau 323 Manistee, MI
Its been seven years on my boat. I don't put that many hours on my engine in a four month season. Regardless, I change the primary Racor annually, even though it could probably go longer.
 

wetass

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Mar 9, 2011
190
CS 36T Seattle
Primary at least twice a year when I also do my oil changes, but since those Racor 500 filters are so easy to change and so cheap, I end up switching it out more often then that - generally before a long trip, or after some rough weather, etc (likely a waste of time because they are never really dirty). Secondary though every other year.n Secondary is a CAV 296 style and a real pain to change.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Youre pushing your luck leaving any epoxide encapsulated cellulosic filter media exposed to any fuel that can possibly be in contact with water saturated fuel oil ... and Im talkin' emulsified or molecular water not the stuff you see at the bottom of tanks and separator bowls, etc. Water eventually 'digests' the cellulosic micro-fibers ... good luck to you if the epoxy stays intact. The epoxide encapsulation process is not 'perfect', cellulose absorbs water readily ... then eventually falls apart. Most ethical filter manufacturers max. recommendation is for in-service life of ONE year maximum - for very good reason.
 
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
My primary is a water coalescing filter. So I change out my primary filter and if I see any sign of water I change the secondary. In any case, my secondary change out is every second year. I put between 75 and 100 hours/per year on my aux. engine.

All that said, Rich makes a good point. If you have an ongoing fuel and water contamination situation you would not want to neglect regular filter changes.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Warren:

I would guess that I did it on my 2GM about every 3-4 years. With the 3JH I do it every other year. That is probably an over kill but I had some fuel issues a few years back with the primary filter. At that time I put in a dual filter system that I can switch from one filter to the other while underway.
 
Jun 16, 2011
173
Catalina 350 Rock hall
Hello all a little off topic but does anyone know what part # is for the I think secondary filter ( first one from tank) I cannot read it anymore and have never changed it in thee years with no issue but I am tempting fate at this point boat is a 1985 hunter 28.5
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
Cmp1110:

Filter Info:
The first, or larger, filter from the fuel tank is the primary and it may be a Fram, Racor, or some other make. Mine is a Fram FBM-1110-PBM and takes a Fram 1110-B cartridge (there are a lot of crossover cartridges for this filter, like the WIXX-33110). You can see a pic of my primary Fram filter in the upper right of the pic attached.

The smaller secondary filter on the engine takes a Yanmar 104500-55710 cartridge.
 

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Jan 22, 2008
328
Beneteau 46 Georgetown YB
I am firmly in the "pay me now or pay me later" camp. For the minimal cost and work required I change my primary and secondary filters every spring or 100 engine hours. If bleeding the fuel system becomes an issue install a squeeze bulb in the delivery line before the primary filter to simplify the process after the new filter is in place.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,312
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Warren, I had the same experience. I'm going 2 to 3 years on the secondary. Our primary is a Racor 24. I keep changing the microns on it, don't ask...:D

Universal M25, 2600 eh, anywhere from 100 to 200 eh per year. Have had the boat for 14 years.
 
Jun 4, 2004
844
Hunter 28.5 Tolchester, MD
Celulosic Microfibers

Rich H.
I Googled your wording on the make up of the filter media and got mostly medical type filters. I have a Raycor 220 spin -on primary with 10 mu Raycor R24T element (which I thought was also a water separator) and the standard Yanmar secondary on the engine with presumably 2mu paper element on a Yanmar 2GM20F.
Neither filter ever seems to have any dirt and absolutely no water since I installed an acess port to the Poly fuel tank and cleaned it completely, plus replaced all the fuel lines. Are you saying that the Raycor filtyer media will absorb water and breakdown? What, if anything would be visible in the Yanmar secondary filter if that were to occur?
 
Jun 16, 2011
173
Catalina 350 Rock hall
Warren thanks that is the one my numbers are worn off but it is same as yours
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Rich H.
I Googled your wording on the make up of the filter media and got mostly medical type filters. I have a Raycor 220 spin -on primary with 10 mu Raycor R24T element (which I thought was also a water separator) and the standard Yanmar secondary on the engine with presumably 2mu paper element on a Yanmar 2GM20F.
Neither filter ever seems to have any dirt and absolutely no water since I installed an acess port to the Poly fuel tank and cleaned it completely, plus replaced all the fuel lines. Are you saying that the Raycor filtyer media will absorb water and breakdown? What, if anything would be visible in the Yanmar secondary filter if that were to occur?
Yup, ......
The filter media for most diesel fuel applications, including Racor, is a microfiber cellulose which is encapsulated with an epoxy - essentially a 'technical' paper. The resination process is not perfect and there will always be exposed or non-encapsulated fibers that absorb water; water will digest the exposed fibers ... such filters typically will last 1 year in service. Once the fibers become saturated with water and after 'digestion' of the cellulose, they become quite weakened and the filter media becomes 'soft' and unable to withstand (much) differential pressure across the pleats; and, either you get pleat rupture or 'breakthrough'. You have to remember as a filter begins to 'choke' with debris that the differential pressure across the filter media will quickly rise and if the differential pressure is greater than what the now weakened strength of the water saturated / digested filter media = 'blowout', pleat failure, etc.

Where is the water if I dont see it? The water is in molecular (direct absorption from the atmosphere ... you have an atmospheric vent on your tank, you HAVE water whether you can see it or not) or macromolecular/emulsified water (water that is 'chopped up' due to pumping, etc); both species of water forms will between the molecules of the oil. Only when there is enough water to SATURATE the mixture and begins to settle out by gravity will you be able to SEE it.


There is essentially only one monopoly world supplier for this technical paper. All these technical paper filters are 'nominally' rated. Racors are nominally rated to about ~97% (weight) capture efficiency at their 'rated' µM, meaning that under idealized conditions they will capture ~97% (wgt.) of the particles at that 'rating'. However it also means that there is a potential that such rated filters can occasionally pass a basketball if the weight percent of that basketball is less than the total !!!!!

The accepted 'most damaging' particle in a diesel engine is 20µM; using a 10µM, 97% removal efficiency or 'nominally rated' filter will tend to ensure that 20µM particles will be at a statistical 'minimum'.

The typical recommendation for 'most' diesel service is: tank --->30µM ---> 10µM ----> (15-17µM engine mounted GUARD filter) ---> injector pump, etc.
The 30µM is a 'prefilter' to the 10µM and is there to extend the service life and to 'protect' the MAIN STAGE 10µM .... and if 'operational history' deems it necessary to extend the service life of the 10µM. If youre running a clean system, clean the tank occasionally, obtain your fuel from a 'reliable' source, then there probably is no need for the 30µM .... but your gages have already told you that !!!!! If youre operating in 3rd world where sand, 'gunk', rocks, sticks and feathers are common in the diesel oil, then definitely you need the 30µM.

The 15-17µM small engine mounted 'guard' filter is there principally to ensure that if an upstream filter has a breakthrough or rupture etc., or that soft particles start EXTRUDING THROUGH the 10µM stage that this filter will quickly 'choke' and shut down the entire system ... consider the engine mounted filter as a FUSE, only ... its a LAST CHANCE FILTER, like a FUSE. Since it has small surface area, and the relative higher velocity through the 'guard' filter will drive debris deeply into the filter media and 'quickly' shut down the flow and prevent engine and injector pump damage.

FAQ - Why not use a 2µM rated filter?
..... for several reasons:
1. a 2µM filter will have 5 times the operating differential pressure drop across it than a 10µM to deliver the exact same amount of oil. Your typical engine lift pump can only 'suck' to about 5" hg vacuum and if you 'burn up' all that motive pressure in forcing the oil oil through a 'tight' filter .... youre not going to have much 'reserve' vacuum to deliver oil.
1a. Expect premature lift pump diaphragm failure when running a 2µM ... it takes WORK to run these filters!!!!!
2. Also there are exponentially more particles in nature the smaller in size you go - a 2µM will 'plug' much faster than a 10µM, about 10-12 times FASTER.
3. Most "normal" particles in diesel fuel system are soft/deformable particles: .... dead microoganism debris and their products of metabolism. The 'tighter' the µM rating, the higher the differential pressure across the filter medium with higher the velocity 'through' the filter media .... all which can lead to the EXTRUSION of soft/deformables right through the filters. These extruded soft/deformables dont 'burn' very well in the combustion chambers and 'settle out downstream in the hot exhaust system - coke! Think of that next time you have to clean out an exhaust system or injection elbow.
Of course sand, iron/rust is easily removed by the 'prefilter stages'.

FAQ - My filters dont LOOK dirty so why should I change them?
Because the size range of particles that the 10µM captured particles needs a high power microscope to visualize, they arent directly visible to the naked eye (the smallest particle that you can see with the naked eyeball is about 40+µM and with the correct lighting conditions) AND these particles are not captured ON the filter but deep INSIDE the filter media, usually in the first 15% of 'depth'.
The ONLY way you can tell if your filter is still capturing particles or is near 'choked' is with a pressure/vacuum gage ..... you occasionally run the engine at WOT to see if there is 'reserve' vacuum (pressure) for the filters to operate ... and you RECORD the vacuum/pressure gage numbers each time you check so that you can 'predict' when such failure occurs.
If you are monitoring vacuum/pressure gages (vs. WOT) and you have 'real old' filters and you denote a sudden DROP of operating vacuum/pressure - that denotes a BREAKTHROUGH or a pleat failure/rupture and you'd better start changing filters because the 'next' filter in series is soon going to get an 'overload' ...... that's the only way you can successfully run such filters for BEYOND the yearly changeout recommendations - gages !!!!!!!!!

If you leave such filters in service for 'years', you dont ever clean out your tankage, you dont monitor the filter operation with gages so you REALLY know if or when to change ..... Id think youre blindly risking for a new/rebuilt injector pump or injectors in place of the cost of $20-30 ea. for a new filter(s). Such rarely happens; but, it 'does' happen.

Note: most engine manufacturers SPECIFY the exact size retention of the filters ... All this is based on historical operating data from the past ~80 years by the SAE, etc. folks. If your engine filters are NOT otherwise specified by the manufacturer; then, tank --->30µM ---> 10µM ----> (~15-17µM engine mounted GUARD filter) ---> injector pump, etc.

hope this helps.
Do get some gages onto your fuel line filters so you know WHEN to change them.
 
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