Woods Hole / Marthas Vineyard trip for a new sailor

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Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
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Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
This may sound like a crazy question but being new to sailing and navigating, I need some advice. I am planning a trip from Buzzards Bay through Woods Hole to Vineyard Haven August 24th. We rented a house for a week and I want to bring the boat. We have 7 kids, the Bradey Bunch, too many to sleep on the boat comfortably. The admiral will take the ferry with half the crew while I sail with the other half! I may anchor in Lake Tashmoo or pick up a mooring in Vineyard Haven. My Catalina 30 draws 3'10" with its wing keel. Anyone experienced with Lake Tashmoo? How difficult is it to get in. I know once in there's plenty of water and I assume peaceful to anchor in. The rules say you cannot live aboard more than 3 days. Would it be safe to leave the boat unattended for a night and return the next day? I have a Mason Supreme 25 with 300' rhodes and it appears to be quite tranquil. Makes me nervous!

Also: I'm a little nervous about going through Woods Hole. I should go on a slack tide.
Checking the current table in my Eldridge Tide & Pilot Book, Woods Hole has a Flood Start time of 9:55 AM & 10:31 PM current turns southeast. How do I determine a window of time? "Slack Water"
 
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jviss

Avoid Woods Hole

It's treacherous! Averages six rescues a week in the summer.

Where are you coming from? Mattapoisett? Why not scoot down to Quicks Hole, then up Vineyard Sound?

Tashmoo - I know a guy who keeps his C30 there, but local knowledge is key getting in/out. Also, I think anchoring is near non-existent, but I have never been.

You can anchor at Vineyard Haven, outside the jetty, easily. Inside, when I was there a couple of years ago there was no room to anchor, all taken up with moorings.
 
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Bob

Woods Hole

The local Harbormaster suggested Lake Tashmoo, claims he anchors there all the time. He explained how to enter. I also spoke to the harbor master at Vineyard Haven and he said there is plenty of water for my draft but I here the sand shifts all the time. It was dredged last year.

Are the currents at Quick Hole any better? How much more time do you think it would add to the trip?

The admiral and I are heading to Hadley Harbor this weekend to anchor,no kids, kind of a trial run before going through.
 
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jviss

Quicks Hole

The difference between Quicks Hole and Woods Hole is that in Woods Hole, the current will put you on the rocks if you loose propulsion; maybe even if you don't loose propulsion, but misjudge things. In Quicks, it will simply sweep you through the hole.


I've gone through Quicks many times. It's wide, and safe. I would be very careful in heavy fog, though.

The time difference, Quicks v. Woods, will have much more to do with the currents (tides) in Buzzards Bay and Vineyard Sound. Are you familiar with the currents? Do you have a copy of Eldridge, and know how to use it?
 
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jviss

Or, use Robinsons Hole

Robinsons Hole is actually closer for your trip, and should be fine for you. I have never gone through there, though.
 
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Weymouth

I heading there next Saturday

Probable by myself. I've gone thru woods hole several times.. It does save alot of time verses quick's hole.. I just hit it around high tide and cruise thru. Last year when we left Edger Town we hit it 2 hours after high and just made it thru.. I haven't been to Hadley harbor since I was a kid and since high tide
isn't until 5:00PM that day I may hang out in Hadley's Harbor.. Good luck with
your trip but don't let alarmest stop you for going thur woods hole just get there around high tide when it's going slack and know the route your taking.
 
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Carl

Here is a link to woods hole and other tide info for Aug.

Here is the link.
 
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jviss

beg to differ

Hey Weymouth,

I'm not an alarmist; this guy said he's new to sailing and navigating, and he'll be the only adult aboard with a couple of kids.

I wasn't kidding about WH averaging six rescues per week. I would advise a new sailor to avoid it.

I think you're a bit too glib in recommending it.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,351
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Quicks Hole warning

The fisherman in the area have a strange yet consistent habit of using black floats on their traps which are almost impossible to see unless you are very careful. Particularly on the north end.
 
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Terry in Naples

Woods Hole

Back in the 70's I motored through Woods Hold late at night against the tide in an old 25 foot sailboat with a 9,9 Johnson kicker. I had motored/ sailed all the way down from Boston, had fog part way and against the tide in the Cape Cod canal and as luck would have it ran out of gas half way through woods hole. I set a record changing gas tanks in the dark, pumping up the line and starting that motor. Made it because I had an old salt with me that lived part time at Marthas Vinyard and he somehow kept us in the channel while I was frantically changing tanks. We spent the night tied on the wall there and shoved off and out early the next morning. One of my first exciting moments in that boat. I was younger then and invincible. Terry
 
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jviss

Some resources

Tell me that this an O.K. place for a beginner:

from: http://www.bostonsailingcenter.com/CruisingGuide/harbors/woodshole/navigation.html

Woods Hole
Approaches

Navigating Woods Hole is tricky -- potentially dangerous -- for a combination of reasons.

Foremost is the current. It routinely flows through at over 4 knots (80 or 90 percent of velocities in the Cape Cod Canal), and, according to Eldridge, will hit 7 knots on occasion. The full current on the nose makes transit slow and awkward. The full current from astern will cause things to happen at an alarmingly rapid pace. Moreover, the current runs slightly cross-channel in the upper section called "The Strait" and more significantly cross-channel in the lower section called "Broadway". As the current approaches full strength, it can literally pull hard enough on the buoys to tow them partially under, creating a distorted navigational picture.

Unexpectedly, the buoys themselves can be a source of confusion in even the best conditions. From the birds-eye perspective of the chart, Woods Hole presents neat, well-marked channels. True enough. But viewed from the cockpit, the converging and diverging channels can look like a random scattering of reds and greens. That there are so many buoys in such a small area perversely adds to the confusion. Throw in the occasional buoy that's missing, off station or substituted. It's a maritime version of the forest-and-trees conundrum; sometimes in Woods Hole you can't see the channel for the buoys.

Even the chart itself has tripped people up. It's scale, at 1:5880 in the Chart Kit version, is unusually large ("zoomed in"). A more typical harbor chart is 1:20,000 or even 1:40,000. So in Woods Hole, a foot of chart represents only about a mile of water, and charted objects come up maybe 4 times faster than feels "normal" from other charts. If you've got the current behind you, events will feel like they are coming at you at 8 times normal speed. It's very easy to miss a buoy.
Strategies

The basic strategy for negotiating Woods Hole is to go through at slack water. This requires deciphering the current tables in Eldridge or online here. Remember that current is described by the direction towards which it flows, so the southeast flood runs from Buzzards Bay towards Vineyard Sound and the northwest ebb runs from Vineyard Sound into Buzzards Bay. The brief period of essentially slack current persist for about 20 minutes either side of the time the current turns.

A more conservative strategy, recommended to anyone making their first trip through Woods Hole as skipper, is to arrive at the end of a period of head current, maybe an hour before slack water. This way, you'll fight a knot or two of current going through, ensuring the transit happens slowly with plenty of time to identify the buoys. And if your schedule slips a bit (imagine!) you still have a window of moderate current. I would not go through Woods Hole for the first time with a following current.

If you do find yourself going through with or against a significant current, it's vital to establish how hard you're being set out of the channel and compensate immediately. The most accurate technique is to sight a range from the next buoy ahead or behind you to a point beyond it on shore and keep them lined up. Just looking over your shoulder frequently will give you a sense that you're staying in the channel or getting pushed to the side. Crabbing 20 or 30 degrees to the axis of the channel is common to fight the cross-current in Broadway. To avoid the worst of the cross-current, follow The Strait, passing north and east of Red Ledge. It's slightly longer, though less confusing, and allows use of the range lights in Great Harbor.

Finally, note that most of the basic channel marks in Woods Hole are unlit nuns and cans, while the number of lights near but not in the channel are numerous and bewildering. Attempting to go through at night is highly inadvisable, even with significant prior daytime experience.
Anchorages, Moorings & Slips

Hadley Harbor on the Buzzards Bay side, and Tarpaulin Cove on the Vineyard Sound side, are attractive nearby anchorages. Both are good spots to wait for slack water, although at 5 miles distant, Tarpaulin Cove is not so convenient. The outer harbor at Vineyard Haven is less appealing, but it's less out of the way.

Moorings and slips are available in Great Harbor, which will be treated separately.
 
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Bob

Eldridge

Thank you everyone, yes I was checking currents in Eldridge and as I originally posted Flood Start time of 9:55 AM & 10:31 PM current turns southeast. How do I determine a window of time? "Slack Water"

I had planned on spending the night in Hadley Harbor then get up eat breakfast and power through around 10 am, the currents should be favorable. How would you time going through?

I will probably take your Quick Hole suggestion jvis but I am still curious and will probably make this trip in the future. I am in Mattapoisett and will be sailing these waters for some time. Hope to try for Nantucket next season.

I will have my 16yo daughter and her girlfriend along with my autistic son 17 on this trip.
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,351
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
Bob

The easiest way to decipher the period of relatively little current is to check the flood vectors pictured in Eldridge. It will show you graphically in what direction and speed the current is flowing at any given time. Just because slack water persists only for a relatively short time, the current within an hour on either side of slack is fairly tame. If this is your first passage through, just do it in daylight as you plan. If possible also consider the current in V Sound which can run around 3.5 knots and significantly expedite/prolong any trip through
 
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Carl

Wow

I didn't mean to be glib but I just feel that it's not that bad at high tide.
Your write up is very impressive indeed.. I stand corrected..
 
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jviss

To Carl

Thanks, but it's not my write-up; it's an article on the Boston Sailing Center Cruising Guide. I put the link to the article at the top of my post.

jv
 
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Ross

I know nothing of that area but this link to

the coast pilot may help to define all of the experiences that have been related here.
http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/nsd/CP2/CP2-37ed-Ch05_2.pdf
 
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jviss

Great resource!

Thanks, Ross. I have the Coast Pilot on my boat, and never thought it might be online. Here's an excerpt from the section on Woods Hole:

"The passage through Woods Hole, between numer-
ous ledges and shoals, is marked by navigational aids.
However, tidal currents are so strong that the passage
is difficult and dangerous without some local knowl-
edge. Buoys in the narrowest part of the channel some-
times are towed under, and a stranger should attempt
passage only at slack water."
 
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jviss

Avoid Robinsons Hole, too

Though I've never used Robinsons, I checked the Coast Pilot, and it says that Robinsons is no place for a stranger without local knowledge. I'd say Quicks is your best bet.
 
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william

Be Nervous

I've made this trip many times from Mattapoisett, it's the shortest route, pay attention, you're red buoys are on left side going through woods hole to vineyard, stay in middle of channel, forget about "slack tide" your boat is too slow to hit the exact time, mark your gps points, stay in main channel and you'll be fine. Vineyard haven has more facilities and is less protected than tashmoo, unless you can get Vineyard haven mooring behind the breakwater. Have a safe trip.
 
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KayakDan

Tashmoo

Getting into Tashmoo is not difficult. The entrance is narrow,but there's plenty of water for a 4ft draft. I went in under sail last year,with a 5ft daggerboard.
Anchoring can be tricky as the holding is not very consistent. Make sure you set your anchor well,as it can get breezy.
Watch your depthsounder closely,and stay in the clearly marked channel and you will be fine.
 
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