Winterizing and Mast dropping and Storage

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Sep 6, 2011
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Oday 322 Hawkestone YC Lake Simcoe
This is my second season with my O’Day 322 and I would like to get some input from others on the following. I want to drop my mast and store it on the boat for the winter. Could someone please give advice on how to safely accomplish this and what steps they would recommend. The marina has a mast stepper that I will be using but would like to hear from folks on how they do this efficiently and safely. Also how do you store the mast on the boat?
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I've been doing this for years. The only difference is, I have a smaller boat with a 27' mast which has a hinged tabernacle.
Every fall when I unload all the gear and food from my boat, I also strip the mast of the stays and spreaders. I run the halyard shackles to the top of the mast, ( I have internal halyards) and do up the halyards at the bottom of the mast and use 10'X2' pieces of old polytarp and wrap it around my mast, especially at both ends. This is purely for chafe protection. I use my mast as a ridge pole for the main 30'X18' polytarp. All my standing rigging gets rolled up and stored in my cellar along with my CDI Roller furler which I hang up on the side of one of my main joists.

Years ago I built two mast crutches for my boat so that I could trailer it but that was before I bought my roller furler. I joined a YC back in 1995 and started renting a club mooring about five years later.

I used to rip brand new polytarps years ago until I came up with a good method of tying it down with very little strain on the tarp. Instead of draping the tarp over the boat and tying the bottom of the tarp to my boat stands or my trailer, I simply use two 3/8"X 5' nylon lines and tie them tight over the mast at each end with clove hitches and half hitches. Then I take a 3/16"X100' braid line and spiral it over the mast and under the boat and tie off each end.

At the bow where the two loose ends come together evenly, I take a piece of strapping and roll the tarp on it. I use a carpenter's spring clamp to hold it together, plus a rope for extra security.

I leave the stern flaps slightly open so that air can circulate under the tarp. I get about 5 to 7 years out of my tarps with no rips or tears.
My ridge is high enough to where it sheds water and snow pretty well, although I may need to remove some snow from the tarp occasionally during the winter.

As I mentioned, I have a smaller boat with a 27' mast but this method of covering my boat has worked for me for a number of years. I usually take my boat off my trailer and store it on my boat stands next to my house. This year I'm leaving the boat on the trailer and I just jacked it up yesterday so that all the wheels are off the ground. I plan on washing her up in a couple of days and installing the large polytarp.
Anyway, this is the way I do it and it works for me.

Joe
 

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Sep 20, 2006
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Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Which marina are you at. We have a rack for the mast to store over the winter. Our mast stepper was decomisioned a few years ago when it would not pass safety inspections. Now Parkbridge has a crane that travels between BayPort, BayMoorings and Beacon Bay to drop the masts, but costs $$$.

On the other hand, why drop the mast. We leave ours up as do 95% of the sailboat in the area with no problems.

BTW, you spelled Penetanguishene wrong ;) but I did notice you changed it from Midland. :)
 
Sep 6, 2011
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Oday 322 Hawkestone YC Lake Simcoe
Thanks for the advise . I was thinking of dropping the mast as Im not sure when it was done last and therfore unsure about the condition of the rigging aloft. It would also make it easier to tarp the boat for the winter. As for my spelling error I shall endevour to correct that ...some day :)
 
Sep 20, 2006
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Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Thanks for the advise . I was thinking of dropping the mast as Im not sure when it was done last and therfore unsure about the condition of the rigging aloft. It would also make it easier to tarp the boat for the winter. As for my spelling error I shall endevour to correct that ...some day :)

Thats also a good idea to check over the rigging.

Build a frame from 2x4 to support the mast. If you search through the forum for boats that head south for the winter from this area, you'll find several good ideas on supporting the mast on the boat. Either the ICW or Misissippi or Loopers.

.....and it took me a while to figure out the correct spelling ;)
 
Jan 24, 2005
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Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
Thanks for the advise . I was thinking of dropping the mast as Im not sure when it was done last and therfore unsure about the condition of the rigging aloft. It would also make it easier to tarp the boat for the winter. As for my spelling error I shall endevour to correct that ...some day :)
I think that's an excellent idea. It's important to check your rigging every year.

I like those mast supports in those pics from that thread Scott. They look like they're easy to build and they're nice and sturdy.
 
Sep 6, 2011
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Oday 322 Hawkestone YC Lake Simcoe
I like that idea as well. I was over engineering how to suport the mast and think this way is very simple to construct.Thanks for the advise folks appreciate it
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,943
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
It is best to unstep hte mast EVERY year for winter storage!! There are many reasons for this, but to name a few..
1) A lot easier to cover the boat when you are not fitting the cover around hte mast and rigging.
2) Mast and rigging will last a lot longer (especially if stored inside a shed on racks) since they will not be under strain all winter and they will be less esposed to weather.
3) if mast is left stepped during winter storage moisture can condense on the rigging and flow into swage fittings and crack the fittings when the moisture freezes. Running rigging can slap against the mast all winter causing wear to both rigging and mast. Wind instruments will be exposed to winter conditions shortening their life. There is really no way to keep rain/snow dampness from finding it's way down inside of mast and around the mast into the bilge.
4) keeping the mast in place while hauled out will cause stress and strain to boat since all forces of the wind will be transmitted to a boat that can't "roll with the punches" in other words move to releive the strain. This stresses the rigging, mast, chainplates, etc.
5) A boat with the mast stepped and stored on "Brownell Stands" may be easily blown over i na winter storm damaging that boat and quite possible many others due to the way marinas store boats so close together. Vibrations caused by the wind in the rigging and against the mast can actually cause the stands to move out from under the boat (I've seen this occur) and a strong storm can actually sail a boat off the stands (not sure how that occured, but again.... I've seen a boat that fell off the stands when stored with mast stepped and she definitely "rotated" as she fell, so the bottom of the keel ended up about 4' to one side of the blocks that were under the keel and the boat luckily did not hit the boat on the side that she fell towards)

Of course the worst cases are the owners who not only make the huge mistake of not unstepping the mast but also compound that error by leaving that sails bent on all winter! One good storm and the jib inevitably unfurls.........

If anyone stores ashore with the mast stepped, they better be well insured! Perhaps marinas should start chrging more if owners insist on keeping their mast stepped, a fee greater than the unstepping and storage charge, that would provide funding to cover the greater costs of repair when boats are damaged as they are toppled by a boat falling over.

I would definitely unstep EVERY YEAR unless storing in the water. In the long run it would seem to be much less costly to unstep and prevent problems (or catch them early due to being able to much more easily inspect the mast and rigging) instead of risk leavign the mast up all winter. Contrast costs of unstepping/restepping against the cost of a new rig.
 
Jan 24, 2005
4,881
Oday 222 Dighton, Ma.
I agree 100% with everything you just said Rod. One of the guys in our club stored his O'Day 25 with the mast up over the winter and water got inside and ruined his whole cabin interior. It now has mold everywhere. He's been trying to sell the boat without the outboard for $2500. It's been sitting on the club mooring all summer long and isn't being used. What a shame! I've sailed this boat a few times and believe me, she's a fast sailer with a lot of get up and go.
I just covered my boat earlier today and she's all set for the winter.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
1) Yes and no. Once you figure out a system, just as quick either way.

2) Storage is outside rack, so not much difference.

3) Maybe, but I doubt it. I run messanger lines up the mast and tie them off to prevent mast slapping, same as I do when boat is in the water with spare lines.

4) Maybe, but much more stress with sails up while sailing and the wind does not blow 24/7 all winter long.

5) Thats why you chain those type of stands.

Boats that are deck stepped mast will not get any moisture in the bildge either.

Like I was refering to the OP who is also in my area, 90-95% of the boats in our region, well over 2,000, store with mast up. A large majority of those boats also have cradles rather than stands, which are much more stable. We also don't have a mast stepper, which means $250 to drop and $250 to raise the mast..... so another $500 per year. I would rather put that money to a rigger to go up the mast and do an inspection every few years and save the rest.

In his case, they have a mast stepper, the rig has not been inspected in recent years, so makes sense to drop the mast.


It is best to unstep hte mast EVERY year for winter storage!! There are many reasons for this, but to name a few..
1) A lot easier to cover the boat when you are not fitting the cover around hte mast and rigging.
2) Mast and rigging will last a lot longer (especially if stored inside a shed on racks) since they will not be under strain all winter and they will be less esposed to weather.
3) if mast is left stepped during winter storage moisture can condense on the rigging and flow into swage fittings and crack the fittings when the moisture freezes. Running rigging can slap against the mast all winter causing wear to both rigging and mast. Wind instruments will be exposed to winter conditions shortening their life. There is really no way to keep rain/snow dampness from finding it's way down inside of mast and around the mast into the bilge.
4) keeping the mast in place while hauled out will cause stress and strain to boat since all forces of the wind will be transmitted to a boat that can't "roll with the punches" in other words move to releive the strain. This stresses the rigging, mast, chainplates, etc.
5) A boat with the mast stepped and stored on "Brownell Stands" may be easily blown over i na winter storm damaging that boat and quite possible many others due to the way marinas store boats so close together. Vibrations caused by the wind in the rigging and against the mast can actually cause the stands to move out from under the boat (I've seen this occur) and a strong storm can actually sail a boat off the stands (not sure how that occured, but again.... I've seen a boat that fell off the stands when stored with mast stepped and she definitely "rotated" as she fell, so the bottom of the keel ended up about 4' to one side of the blocks that were under the keel and the boat luckily did not hit the boat on the side that she fell towards)

Of course the worst cases are the owners who not only make the huge mistake of not unstepping the mast but also compound that error by leaving that sails bent on all winter! One good storm and the jib inevitably unfurls.........

If anyone stores ashore with the mast stepped, they better be well insured! Perhaps marinas should start chrging more if owners insist on keeping their mast stepped, a fee greater than the unstepping and storage charge, that would provide funding to cover the greater costs of repair when boats are damaged as they are toppled by a boat falling over.

I would definitely unstep EVERY YEAR unless storing in the water. In the long run it would seem to be much less costly to unstep and prevent problems (or catch them early due to being able to much more easily inspect the mast and rigging) instead of risk leavign the mast up all winter. Contrast costs of unstepping/restepping against the cost of a new rig.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,943
Oday Day Sailer Wareham, MA
$500.00 is dirt cheap compared to the damage due to mulitple years without unstepping hte mast, I stand by my recommendation that a mast should be unstepped EVERY time the boat is stored onshore.
Also, a boat undersail does something that a boat stored onshore can't do.....heel over to reduce the effect of the wind pressure. A boat stored ashore is locked in a rigid upright position and can not heel with the wind, hence all pressure and strain is placed on the rig and boat with no "safety valve". Every wind movement is straining the rig, working the rigging and potentially working the chainplates increasing the likelyhood of leaks around where they pass through the deck. Unstepping the mast every year allows the boat and rigging to "relax".

$500 is cheap insurance to prevent long-term damage to your own boat as well as damage to other boats caused by a boat being blown off the stands or even a cradle (cradles can be blown over with the boat).
Replacing the mast and rigging for even a small boat (like an O'DAY 22) is well over $1500, so $500 to unstep, store, and restep is darn cheap. The Nonsuch 26 shown blew off her stands in a winter storm, thankfully, other than a broken topping lift on the boat next to her, she was the only seriously damaged boat. However, the mast was damaged to the point of needing replacement..... $$$$$$$$$$$$
 

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Feb 20, 2011
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Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
$500.00 is dirt cheap compared to the damage due to mulitple years without unstepping hte mast, I stand by my recommendation that a mast should be unstepped EVERY time the boat is stored onshore.
Also, a boat undersail does something that a boat stored onshore can't do.....heel over to reduce the effect of the wind pressure. A boat stored ashore is locked in a rigid upright position and can not heel with the wind, hence all pressure and strain is placed on the rig and boat with no "safety valve". Every wind movement is straining the rig, working the rigging and potentially working the chainplates increasing the likelyhood of leaks around where they pass through the deck. Unstepping the mast every year allows the boat and rigging to "relax".

$500 is cheap insurance to prevent long-term damage to your own boat as well as damage to other boats caused by a boat being blown off the stands or even a cradle (cradles can be blown over with the boat).
Replacing the mast and rigging for even a small boat (like an O'DAY 22) is well over $1500, so $500 to unstep, store, and restep is darn cheap. The Nonsuch 26 shown blew off her stands in a winter storm, thankfully, other than a broken topping lift on the boat next to her, she was the only seriously damaged boat. However, the mast was damaged to the point of needing replacement..... $$$$$$$$$$$$
That photo you've posted, is that shrink wrap extended up, and I mean way up, above the deck?
 
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