Windlass

dean

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Sep 26, 2008
8
Macgregor 26M Elk Rapids, MI
Does anyone user a manual windlass (what kind) and how much 5/16 chain will the locker hold? Thank you Dean
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
Hi Dean, We use a Simpson Lawrence Hi-Speed windlass. We had 250 feet of 1/2 inch double braid in the locker and built a smaller locker to rear of that for 200 feet of 1/4 Hi Test chain.
If you don't already have the chain go with the 1/4 inch Hi Test. It's stronger than the 5/16 proof coil and almost as strong as 3/8 proof coil. We never used more than 70 feet of the chain and it weighed a lot. I've since cut it in half. The piece I have left over fills a 5 gallon bucket a little bit over half way. Probably not much more than a cubic foot. Good luck, Walt

To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: airstream31@...: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:48:53 -0700Subject: [AlbinVega] Windlass

Does anyone user a manual windlass (what kind) and how much 5/16 chain will the locker hold? Thank you Dean
 
Oct 25, 2008
168
Albin Marin Vega Bogue Chitto, Miss
Hey guys I am still preping "Emma Gail" for the big trip. What can you
tell me about the Anchor types and sizes y'all use, and what about a
windlass. Do any of you have any input regarding mounting one? Do you
know of any structural issues or particular problems with bow rollers
etc...
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Hi Kenneth,
Haven't made the 'big trip' yet, but Tony Skidmore circumnavigated and
said "Bruce anchor (7.5 kg) used in conjunction with 200' of BBB chain
and once again, it was perfectly matched to the Vega and good in mud,
sand, coral and rock"

I agree with his choice of anchors. I have a 10 kg (22 lb) and a 7.5 kg
(16 lb) Bruce. The main anchor is connected to 100' of high strength
1/4" chain and 300' of rode. My choice for an alternate anchor would be
a 25lb CQR.
I use a Windline BRM-4 bow roller setup. It's described, with links to
photos, here: Yahoo! Groups

No winch yet, and I have zero experience with them, but the Muir VFF600
would be a possible candidate for a power winch, and the Muir VM500 for
a manual model. I like the vertical shaft ones as they take up less
room on deck, with the motor under the deck out of the weather, but you
need to kneel down if you crank them by hand.

Some of Tony Skidmore's other gear choices can be found in the Vega
Yahoo files section under "History of (Vega) Lorna Doone.txt"

His full articles, with some photos, are posted on the VAGB "Downlods"
page in Newsletters #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, and #19.
A link to the downloads page at VAGB is

Hope this helps,
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 2, 2005
465
The most recent issue of Practical Sailor ( Vol 34, #10) has an
article on windlasses. I don't see an actual recommendation but it
may be worth reading before you make a purchase.
Practical Sailor
Craig Tern 1519
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
Hi Kenneth. We too used a Bruce 7.5 Kg and liked it a lot. Rarely did we drag and easily fixed by increasing the scope. Only once did we fail to set and that was in a very weedy bottom. Our backups were 2 Fortress FX11s. Wanted an FX11 and a FX7 but the chandlery was out of the 7s and we didn't want to wait. We also carried 200 feet of 1/4 inch hi-test chain and two 200 ft lengths of 1/2 inch nylon. The Bruce and one of the FX11s were on bowrollers, chain on the Bruce and nylon on the FX11. We used an Ankorliner for the stern hook. Liked the Ankorliner alot!
Just a quick mention on the FX11. When I first got it I was motoring against an out going tide with wind on the bow. The old Albin quit on me and the boat got rather confused. Tide pushing one way and wind pushing the other. I threw out the anchor and nothing happened. The boat continued all over the place. I noticed a disturbance on the water about 30 feet away and found it was my anchor hydroplaning on the surface. Fixed the floating anchor problem by adding a longer length of chain.
Another brief mention. A while back there were questions on solar panels. We had a couple of 75 watt panels on the the stern. one mounted on each side and on 7/8 inch steel tubing. We had our canvas shop put a couple of 90 degree bends in the tubes and sleeved them into 1 inch tubes. The 1 inch tubes formed the uprights of our stern pulpit.We could swing the 7/8 inch to point the panels towards the sun and follow the suns arc by swinging the panels on the 90 degree bends. Using the stern hook as well as the bow anchor kept us from swinging and we went 19 days on the solar panels in the one anchorage in Mexico. Those two panels ran our fridge, played the CD player, let us talk with others on the VHF, ran our water maker and allowed us to watch a movie on the VCR every night. After we lost our battery charger by plugging into a Mexican dock outlet (reversed polarity) we used the panels for everything. Alot to be said for stern hooks and pointable panels.
We used a Simpson-Lawrence hi-speed manual windlass. It was okay but parts are expensive. It uses a bicycle chain and works on both the forward and the backwards swing on the handle. New handle was $75.00! and was a piece of galvanized steel about 3 feet long and 1 inch wide. We dropped one overboard and found a suitable replacement in a scrap yard. The chain is also expensive and can be found much cheaper in a bike shop. 200 feet of chain was heavy and we never used more than 70 feet of it. I've since shortened it to 100 feet and have an extra 100 feet if any one is interested. Walt S/V Lyric #120
P.S. Dont know if any one is using Switlik liferafts but if so there is a recall on the inflation valves. Contact Switlik or a repack station for more info.
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: prjacobs@...: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:18:33 +0000Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: Windlass

Hi Kenneth,Haven't made the 'big trip' yet, but Tony Skidmore circumnavigated and said "Bruce anchor (7.5 kg) used in conjunction with 200' of BBB chain and once again, it was perfectly matched to the Vega and good in mud, sand, coral and rock"I agree with his choice of anchors. I have a 10 kg (22 lb) and a 7.5 kg (16 lb) Bruce. The main anchor is connected to 100' of high strength 1/4" chain and 300' of rode. My choice for an alternate anchor would be a 25lb CQR.I use a Windline BRM-4 bow roller setup. It's described, with links to photos, here: Yahoo! Groups winch yet, and I have zero experience with them, but the Muir VFF600 would be a possible candidate for a power winch, and the Muir VM500 for a manual model. I like the vertical shaft ones as they take up less room on deck, with the motor under the deck out of the weather, but you need to kneel down if you crank them by hand.Some of Tony Skidmore's other gear choices can be found in the Vega Yahoo files section under "History of (Vega) Lorna Doone.txt"His full articles, with some photos, are posted on the VAGB "Downlods" page in Newsletters #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, and #19.A link to the downloads page at VAGB is http://www.albinvega.co.uk/downloads.htmlHope this helps,Peter#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 25, 2008
168
Albin Marin Vega Bogue Chitto, Miss
I appreciate the info, you wouldn't happen to have any photos of the solar panel ounting would you?

I am tracking on everything you said except the 200' of chain. That had to weigh well over a hundred pounds. Did you ever have a problem with weight on the bow with all that chain, windlass, bow rollers and both anchors? Seems like a load up front.

I was planning on going with 30' of chain and have a I have a 345' x7/16" nylon rode. I am planning on trying to avoid crowded anchorages as mush as possible. Not really looking to socialize, but more or less disconnect. Kinda not wanting to hang out too much in the crowd. Seems sailors have turned into a bunch of pretentious asses, that really just hang out and don't get out and sail.

Are the good days really over for good?
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
Kenneth,
I had 30 feet of chain and switched to 100 feet, weight 88lbs. Sure
sleep a lot better now!
The Vega is nice and broad in the forward area, not like an IOR boat.
Vegas can take quite a bit of weight up there.
And the good old days are never over :)
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
Hi All

Does anyone know of a good source for 1/4 inch hi-test chain in the UK?

David Wisdish
V3283 PonteneurFrom: pjacobs55
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:01 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: WindlassKenneth,
I had 30 feet of chain and switched to 100 feet, weight 88lbs. Sure
sleep a lot better now!
The Vega is nice and broad in the forward area, not like an IOR boat.
Vegas can take quite a bit of weight up there.
And the good old days are never over :)
Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
I don't know of a good source for the chain in the U.K. but I can make you a good deal on my leftover 100 feet. $100.00 for the chain and $500.00 for the shipping. Sounds expensive but since our dollar is worth about 1/10 of what it was 2 weeks ago it's a good deal! Only kidding. I have no idea about what it would cost to ship it.
Seriously though. You do sleep a lot better on a chain. Boat rides much better due to the increased weight on the bottom. Much more peace of mind wondering if the line is chafing on a rock. We did see one anchored boat go ashore after its line chafed through. It was totaled. 200 feet was a lot of weight and that's why we cut it down to a 100 feet. 3 to 1 scope for normal conditions, 5 to 1 for heavy wind or current and maybe as much as 7 to 1 for serious conditions.At least thats the formula we used.
You are going to meet alot of nice people cruising. We didn't find much snobbery at all. My boat is bigger than your boat, etc. You are going to spoil the view for some folks though. There going to be anchored off of a nice beach and with their keels drawing 6 feet, you will be able to anchor between them and the beach!
We have been stuck in our money pit of a house for too long. Lyric has been languishing on her trailer in the back yard. But the house is coming to a point where I can start concentrating on the boat. Orders for parts have been placed and I hope to have her back in the water this coming spring. Looking forward to the seeing the folks in the Pacific North West this coming summer! Walt

To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: davidwisdish@...: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:59:44 +0100Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Windlass

Hi AllDoes anyone know of a good source for 1/4 inch hi-test chain in the UK?David WisdishV3283 PonteneurFrom: pjacobs55 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:01 AMTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: WindlassKenneth,I had 30 feet of chain and switched to 100 feet, weight 88lbs. Sure sleep a lot better now!The Vega is nice and broad in the forward area, not like an IOR boat. Vegas can take quite a bit of weight up there.And the good old days are never over :)Peter#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Oct 30, 2019
234
Walt

I will do you a deal. Sail your boat to the best sailing in the world (The West Coast of Scotland) bring the spare 100ft of chain with you and I will pay you the required $100.00 and throw a single bottle of 20 year malt whiskey into the deal! The whiskey is better currency than the $, £ or Euro. I am not kidding I could not be more serious! I agree with you that a good scope of chain lets one sleep at night.

David




From: walt/judy brown/allore
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 6:28 PM
To: albinvega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: Windlass



I don\'t know of a good source for the chain in the U.K. but I can make you a good deal on my leftover 100 feet. $100.00 for the chain and $500.00 for the shipping. Sounds expensive but since our dollar is worth about 1/10 of what it was 2 weeks ago it\'s a good deal! Only kidding. I have no idea about what it would cost to ship it.
Seriously though. You do sleep a lot better on a chain. Boat rides much better due to the increased weight on the bottom. Much more peace of mind wondering if the line is chafing on a rock. We did see one anchored boat go ashore after its line chafed through. It was totaled. 200 feet was a lot of weight and that\'s why we cut it down to a 100 feet. 3 to 1 scope for normal conditions, 5 to 1 for heavy wind or current and maybe as much as 7 to 1 for serious conditions.At least thats the formula we used.
You are going to meet alot of nice people cruising. We didn\'t find much snobbery at all. My boat is bigger than your boat, etc. You are going to spoil the view for some folks though. There going to be anchored off of a nice beach and with their keels drawing 6 feet, you will be able to anchor between them and the beach!
We have been stuck in our money pit of a house for too long. Lyric has been languishing on her trailer in the back yard. But the house is coming to a point where I can start concentrating on the boat. Orders for parts have been placed and I hope to have her back in the water this coming spring. Looking forward to the seeing the folks in the Pacific North West this coming summer! Walt


To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: davidwisdish@...: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:59:44 +0100Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Windlass

Hi AllDoes anyone know of a good source for 1/4 inch hi-test chain in the UK?David WisdishV3283 PonteneurFrom: pjacobs55 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 4:01 AMTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AlbinVega] Re: WindlassKenneth,I had 30 feet of chain and switched to 100 feet, weight 88lbs. Sure sleep a lot better now!The Vega is nice and broad in the forward area, not like an IOR boat. Vegas can take quite a bit of weight up there.And the good old days are never over :)Peter#1331 \'Sin Tacha\'
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Did anyone install a windlass? Where did you put it? How did you mount it? What brand did you use? Do you have photos inside and out?

Thanks,
Jack
Bella - V2620
 
Oct 31, 2019
2
I?m also very interested in how to install it. Do you need to reinforse the foreward bulkhead? How to drain the chainbox, vertical or horisontel windlass ..?



Regards



Torben



Saskia V550
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
From: j.hunter9999@...
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:15:51 +0000
Subject: [AlbinVega] Windlass


Did anyone install a windlass? Where did you put it? How did you mount it? What brand did you use? Do you have photos inside and out?

Thanks,
Jack
Bella - V2620


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Jun 2, 2004
128
I put a simpson lawrence sea tiger windlass on Pagan Baby last year. The windlass was mounted just forward of the cabin house on a 3/4 plywwod pad, with another 3/4 pad on the inside, both libearly bedded. The core around the bolt holes and chain pipe hole was routed out and filled with epoxy. The chain leads directly down to the comparment aft of the watertank which I use as my second chain locker.

On my cruise up to Maine and back last summer most of the time there was no need for the windlass and I could deploy and retreive the anchor (22 lb bruce, with 50 feet of 5/16" chain and 1/2" rode) easily by hand. The times the windlass came in handy was when recovering the anchor in current, when it was blowing, when the anchor was really dug in, or I had to retreive my ridculously big "BIG BOY" anchor and chain. I only put the "BIG BOY" down three times in 90+ days of sailing, but when I put it down I was glad I had it and slept soundly. If I didn't have the windlass I might still be anchored someplace :)

Once I dig out from this snow I'll get down the yard and take some pictures of the windlass for you.

Tom
 
Oct 30, 2019
574
Thanks, Tom. Photos would be great when you get time. You drop the chain straight through the deck into the locker aft of the forward water tank? Do you still have a v berth? If you get a chance, can you shoot a couple shots of your forward deck layout, too?

Thanks again and happy sailing!

Jack