Hello All! Has anybody out there mounted winches (for headsail sheets) on the O'day 22 cockpit coamings? My boat has always had jam cleats only, putting winches on now, hoping somebody might be able to share the info with me as to how long a mounting scres it takes to go through the coaming and allow enough thread for washers and nuts. Should it have backing plates, or fender washers? Would greatly appreciate some guidance here, before I drill holes in my beloved little boat! Thank you for any information you can share. Best regards, Conway Deitrick
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Backing plates
Hi Conway. I replaced the backing plate for my forward chain plate. I seemed to be some kind of masonite stuff. It was also kind of soggy and weak. I looked at my brotherinlaw's boat and he has the same thing for all of his backings although my winches don't have that for backing. When they were redone, they used fender washers and they need to be replaced with somthing sturdier. They do move a little when I crank on them. When I did the forward plate, I used a 3/4 inch peice of plywood that I soaked in a preservative stain for a day. I sprayed the same stuff on my fence and it still repells water a year later. It is now rock sturdy. I beleive the fiberglass in the winch area is one layer of glass, not two layers with balsa in betweeen like the cabin top or decks. I would use somthing strong like metal or wood. The thickness of the fiberglass is I believe not more than a 1/4 inch. I hope this helps. Kevin
Hi Conway. I replaced the backing plate for my forward chain plate. I seemed to be some kind of masonite stuff. It was also kind of soggy and weak. I looked at my brotherinlaw's boat and he has the same thing for all of his backings although my winches don't have that for backing. When they were redone, they used fender washers and they need to be replaced with somthing sturdier. They do move a little when I crank on them. When I did the forward plate, I used a 3/4 inch peice of plywood that I soaked in a preservative stain for a day. I sprayed the same stuff on my fence and it still repells water a year later. It is now rock sturdy. I beleive the fiberglass in the winch area is one layer of glass, not two layers with balsa in betweeen like the cabin top or decks. I would use somthing strong like metal or wood. The thickness of the fiberglass is I believe not more than a 1/4 inch. I hope this helps. Kevin
Thanks, Kevin
Hi Kevin, Thank you for your response. Glad to know it's only a 1/4 inch of deck, not cored. Sounds like a good place to use a backing plate, doesn't it? I'm going to se what I can come up with. Might try to find some 1/4 inch aluminum plate........ Best regards, Conway
Hi Kevin, Thank you for your response. Glad to know it's only a 1/4 inch of deck, not cored. Sounds like a good place to use a backing plate, doesn't it? I'm going to se what I can come up with. Might try to find some 1/4 inch aluminum plate........ Best regards, Conway
Aluminum checkered plate
I found some checkered plate at my local metal recup yard. I gave the guy 20$ for 6 section of 4 inch wide by 5 feet long. I've replaced all the small plywood backing plate with on custom shape aluminium plate. (Winch, jam cleat, bbq handle) I've taped the piece of aluminium, prewetted the underside of the coaming with neat epoxy and spread some thickened epoxy on the plate, pushed everything up and bolted down while the epoxy set. Be sure to put wax or petrolum gel on the thread of the bolts. You want a perfectly matting surface between the underside of the coaming and the backing plate. If you don't your backing plate might dig in fiberglass or cause stress fracture.
I found some checkered plate at my local metal recup yard. I gave the guy 20$ for 6 section of 4 inch wide by 5 feet long. I've replaced all the small plywood backing plate with on custom shape aluminium plate. (Winch, jam cleat, bbq handle) I've taped the piece of aluminium, prewetted the underside of the coaming with neat epoxy and spread some thickened epoxy on the plate, pushed everything up and bolted down while the epoxy set. Be sure to put wax or petrolum gel on the thread of the bolts. You want a perfectly matting surface between the underside of the coaming and the backing plate. If you don't your backing plate might dig in fiberglass or cause stress fracture.
Careful of the interior liner
I don't know about the 22, but on the Oday 23 the winches are mounted above an area in the cabin that is covered by the interior liner. If the same is true of the 22, do not mount your backing plate on the underside of the interior liner! you will need to cut holes in the liner so that you can put your backing plate directly against the underside of the outer hull. Oday (and most other manufacturers) did not make their boats with an eye towards giving access to the underside of the deck. Most people who have undertaken this kind of work install an inspection port at the specific location in the interior liner so that it looks neat when completed.
I don't know about the 22, but on the Oday 23 the winches are mounted above an area in the cabin that is covered by the interior liner. If the same is true of the 22, do not mount your backing plate on the underside of the interior liner! you will need to cut holes in the liner so that you can put your backing plate directly against the underside of the outer hull. Oday (and most other manufacturers) did not make their boats with an eye towards giving access to the underside of the deck. Most people who have undertaken this kind of work install an inspection port at the specific location in the interior liner so that it looks neat when completed.
Cockpit Coamings Winches
Hi Conway; My 1979 Oday 22' has a set of single-speed Lewmar winches on the cockpit comings. I am not sure whether they came with the boat out of the factory or were installed by previous owners. You'll certainly need a little blocking under the winches in the coamings. Access to the underside of the coamings is a tricky issue, requiring a small, agile volunteer. The starboard side coaming is accessible through the cockpit lazarette hatch. The port coaming should be accessible through the port, rear quarter-berth. Both ways require a great deal of twisting and bending, not to mention fitting into spaces half the size of a normal human being! The winches I have also sport a cleat aft of each one, also on the coaming. You figure if your there anyway, might as well put backing in for both. Good luck, Stu "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport, NY
Hi Conway; My 1979 Oday 22' has a set of single-speed Lewmar winches on the cockpit comings. I am not sure whether they came with the boat out of the factory or were installed by previous owners. You'll certainly need a little blocking under the winches in the coamings. Access to the underside of the coamings is a tricky issue, requiring a small, agile volunteer. The starboard side coaming is accessible through the cockpit lazarette hatch. The port coaming should be accessible through the port, rear quarter-berth. Both ways require a great deal of twisting and bending, not to mention fitting into spaces half the size of a normal human being! The winches I have also sport a cleat aft of each one, also on the coaming. You figure if your there anyway, might as well put backing in for both. Good luck, Stu "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport, NY
Mike, are these halyard winch?
Mike, I only have 2 winches on my O'Day 23(1976). They are for the headsail (150% furling genoa) and they are mounted on the coaming about mid way between cabin wall and transom. The only way to acces them is going in through the seat/hach on the starboard side and squeezing my self in. If I were installing any backing plate that would be seen and if I could bang my head I would be very careful of cabin projection. Loosing part of you scalp on a protruding screw is not good sailing. The only thing mounted on the cabin roof are 2 cleats. I use one to attach the main sail halyard. Funny how boats can differ so much after 30 years of existence.
Mike, I only have 2 winches on my O'Day 23(1976). They are for the headsail (150% furling genoa) and they are mounted on the coaming about mid way between cabin wall and transom. The only way to acces them is going in through the seat/hach on the starboard side and squeezing my self in. If I were installing any backing plate that would be seen and if I could bang my head I would be very careful of cabin projection. Loosing part of you scalp on a protruding screw is not good sailing. The only thing mounted on the cabin roof are 2 cleats. I use one to attach the main sail halyard. Funny how boats can differ so much after 30 years of existence.
Backing Plates
Yes...You must have backing plates. I installed selftailing winches back in 1976. I used 3/8" marine plywood, sealed with polyurethane. Seal the bolts with Life-Caulk (it works better than silcone). Good Luck!
Yes...You must have backing plates. I installed selftailing winches back in 1976. I used 3/8" marine plywood, sealed with polyurethane. Seal the bolts with Life-Caulk (it works better than silcone). Good Luck!
O22 winch install
Thanks, you guys! Wow, what a great response, how can you go wrong with this kind of feedback? By the way, Warren, my boat is a 1976 and has apparently always had only jam cleats, no winches The little lady and I used to have a 25MAC with headsail winches, sure made life easier. Decided on some upgrades for the O'day, so that's where we are. There will definitely be backing plates below these winches. Thanks again everyone, I hope I can reciprocate as I learn more aboout these tough little boats! Sincerely, Conway Deitrick
Thanks, you guys! Wow, what a great response, how can you go wrong with this kind of feedback? By the way, Warren, my boat is a 1976 and has apparently always had only jam cleats, no winches The little lady and I used to have a 25MAC with headsail winches, sure made life easier. Decided on some upgrades for the O'day, so that's where we are. There will definitely be backing plates below these winches. Thanks again everyone, I hope I can reciprocate as I learn more aboout these tough little boats! Sincerely, Conway Deitrick
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