I am thinking of buying one of the new Tohatsu 9.8hp 4 stroke motors for my 1994 Mac 26 classic. Does anybody know if the motor tiller will completely fit into the engine well, or will it hit against the back of the well? Thanks for your help.
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Mel Elliott
Engine well
I can almost guarantee it will not fit. I can't think of any engine that will fit in the motor well on my 26D and let you steer with the tiller. I had to cut the tiller assembly completely off my Tohatsu 9.9 2 cycle and make a new tiller, in order to steer it. The previous owner steered it with the rudder which doesn't work for me.
I can almost guarantee it will not fit. I can't think of any engine that will fit in the motor well on my 26D and let you steer with the tiller. I had to cut the tiller assembly completely off my Tohatsu 9.9 2 cycle and make a new tiller, in order to steer it. The previous owner steered it with the rudder which doesn't work for me.
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Ed
Doesn't it fold?
Ron, I am also looking at the Tohatsu 9.8 for my 26D Classic. Would appreciate any input from 9.8 owners. Most of these tillers fold up, don't they? My Honda 8 does, and I use it in the folded position. Works great, along with the rudder. I am thinking the ultra long, 25" shaft would be best for the ocean.
Ron, I am also looking at the Tohatsu 9.8 for my 26D Classic. Would appreciate any input from 9.8 owners. Most of these tillers fold up, don't they? My Honda 8 does, and I use it in the folded position. Works great, along with the rudder. I am thinking the ultra long, 25" shaft would be best for the ocean.
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Stephen Paul
Engine well
I think the problem is rotation of the Engine inside the motor well. Lots of sailors like to rotate the engine a little as well as the rudder. It gives you greater control and tighter turning with less effort. I do that with my 26S using a Tohatsu 8, works great. One idea if you need the newer larger 4 strokes. Perhaps a motor mount to move the engine back a bit would help and be the cheapest thing to do. I can imagine a 9.8, 4 stroke taking up all of the motor well window not allowing turning the outboard at all. Other think I've considered is the contact area between the rudder and the prop. It is possible to get the two together under the right conditions. A prop guard or outboard wing would prevent this alltogether, just an idea. Has ne ver been a problem. Being an Engineer it just always seems you want to improve and remove the idiot factor. Steve
I think the problem is rotation of the Engine inside the motor well. Lots of sailors like to rotate the engine a little as well as the rudder. It gives you greater control and tighter turning with less effort. I do that with my 26S using a Tohatsu 8, works great. One idea if you need the newer larger 4 strokes. Perhaps a motor mount to move the engine back a bit would help and be the cheapest thing to do. I can imagine a 9.8, 4 stroke taking up all of the motor well window not allowing turning the outboard at all. Other think I've considered is the contact area between the rudder and the prop. It is possible to get the two together under the right conditions. A prop guard or outboard wing would prevent this alltogether, just an idea. Has ne ver been a problem. Being an Engineer it just always seems you want to improve and remove the idiot factor. Steve
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RichardL
I have a 9.8 Nissan...
... which is the same as the Tohatsu, and as Stephen suggests, I am using a motor mount. It does move the mnotor back, which it gives it more movement, but then the tiller (which does tilt up) is so far away that you have to get into the engine well to reach it. To make it easier to control, I have fitter a tiller extension to it and now I can reach it from inside the cockpit. However, it still makes it difficult to steer with both the rudder and the motor at the same time, which you need to do in tight spaces. So now I am looking at the EZ-Steer system that allows to connect the outboard to the rudder and then you just steer with the rudder. Has anyone had any experience with this syetm on a 26S (or D or C)? I have also fitted a Power Thruster to the outboard and it serves two purposes, the first for what it was intended, and the second as a guard against the rudder and the prop coming into contact.
... which is the same as the Tohatsu, and as Stephen suggests, I am using a motor mount. It does move the mnotor back, which it gives it more movement, but then the tiller (which does tilt up) is so far away that you have to get into the engine well to reach it. To make it easier to control, I have fitter a tiller extension to it and now I can reach it from inside the cockpit. However, it still makes it difficult to steer with both the rudder and the motor at the same time, which you need to do in tight spaces. So now I am looking at the EZ-Steer system that allows to connect the outboard to the rudder and then you just steer with the rudder. Has anyone had any experience with this syetm on a 26S (or D or C)? I have also fitted a Power Thruster to the outboard and it serves two purposes, the first for what it was intended, and the second as a guard against the rudder and the prop coming into contact.
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Stephen Paul
EZ steer system
Richard, many years ago I fished for Salmon and Trout in Lake Michigan. At that time I owned a 21' Starcraft with 170HP Vovlo Penta I/O. We loved it but did use exactly the ez steer system. It works quite well in lake fishing, not so sure about close quarters but I believe it will work. Glad to have you qualify the idea of using the thruster to protect the rudder. Pretty obvious soulution to many I'm sure. Good luck with this. Steve
Richard, many years ago I fished for Salmon and Trout in Lake Michigan. At that time I owned a 21' Starcraft with 170HP Vovlo Penta I/O. We loved it but did use exactly the ez steer system. It works quite well in lake fishing, not so sure about close quarters but I believe it will work. Glad to have you qualify the idea of using the thruster to protect the rudder. Pretty obvious soulution to many I'm sure. Good luck with this. Steve
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Ed
Will it fit?
Ron's question was will it fit? I too, would be interested in this. I don't want to put on an external motor mount unless absolutely necessary. Also, it is my understanding that the Tohatsu/Nissan 9.8 is the same physical size as the 8, so it shouldnt present any size problems. I know it may not turn completely, but I like to steer mainly with the rudder.
Ron's question was will it fit? I too, would be interested in this. I don't want to put on an external motor mount unless absolutely necessary. Also, it is my understanding that the Tohatsu/Nissan 9.8 is the same physical size as the 8, so it shouldnt present any size problems. I know it may not turn completely, but I like to steer mainly with the rudder.
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RichardL
I agree....
I believe Ed is right about the size being the same as the 8 hp, so as long as you don't need to steer too much with the motor you should be OK. The motor mount was already on my boat, so I never tried it without. I will measure the distance from the outboard mounting bracket to the end of the tiller when I get home and post it here for you.
I believe Ed is right about the size being the same as the 8 hp, so as long as you don't need to steer too much with the motor you should be OK. The motor mount was already on my boat, so I never tried it without. I will measure the distance from the outboard mounting bracket to the end of the tiller when I get home and post it here for you.
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RichardL
21 inches
OK I got home and measured my 9.8 Nissan, which is the same motor as the Tohatsu. It is 21 inches from the bracket on the motor that attaches to the outside of the transom to the end of the tiller. This should just about fit in the outboard well, however, the tiller does not come straight back, it angles outwards. This means that if the tiller was completely down in the well, the motor would be at an angle and trying to push the boat to port.
OK I got home and measured my 9.8 Nissan, which is the same motor as the Tohatsu. It is 21 inches from the bracket on the motor that attaches to the outside of the transom to the end of the tiller. This should just about fit in the outboard well, however, the tiller does not come straight back, it angles outwards. This means that if the tiller was completely down in the well, the motor would be at an angle and trying to push the boat to port.
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Ed
How does the 9.8 run?
RichardL, how does your 9.8 run? Do you have electric starting? Any quirks? I was thinking of ordering the ES and ultra long shaft because I want to transom mount and use the boat in the ocean.
RichardL, how does your 9.8 run? Do you have electric starting? Any quirks? I was thinking of ordering the ES and ultra long shaft because I want to transom mount and use the boat in the ocean.
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RichardL
I'm happy with it.
Ed - I have the long shaft, electric start and am very pleased with it. As you probably know it is also about the lightest 9.8 hp 4 stroke on the market at just under 100 lbs. However, I haven't ventured out into the ocean with it yet so I can't tell you how it would be in those conditions. For info, I found the lowest price on the PortaBote web site ($1800+). You may want to check them out when you are ready to buy. The only drawback buying from them was that it was drop shipped from the supplier, and needed to be commissioned when I got it.
Ed - I have the long shaft, electric start and am very pleased with it. As you probably know it is also about the lightest 9.8 hp 4 stroke on the market at just under 100 lbs. However, I haven't ventured out into the ocean with it yet so I can't tell you how it would be in those conditions. For info, I found the lowest price on the PortaBote web site ($1800+). You may want to check them out when you are ready to buy. The only drawback buying from them was that it was drop shipped from the supplier, and needed to be commissioned when I got it.
Porta Bote
From what I understand, Nissan caught on to this and won't allow purchases of their motors except through an authorized dealer from now on. I bought a 9.8 through Porta Bote and it definitely was a tremendous savings vs. retail. Unfortunately, even though it's the lightest 4 stroke, it was still too large for my V21 and I had to go to a 6 hp. Bryan
From what I understand, Nissan caught on to this and won't allow purchases of their motors except through an authorized dealer from now on. I bought a 9.8 through Porta Bote and it definitely was a tremendous savings vs. retail. Unfortunately, even though it's the lightest 4 stroke, it was still too large for my V21 and I had to go to a 6 hp. Bryan
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RichardL
Setting up
It had come straight from manufacturer, so had not been set up and tested by a dealer.
It had come straight from manufacturer, so had not been set up and tested by a dealer.
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RichardL
Could be the answer?
I just found the "Power Tiller" on the web and received their brochure. If it works it could be the answer to the question of getting the tiller to fit in the outboard well. The web site link is below.
I just found the "Power Tiller" on the web and received their brochure. If it works it could be the answer to the question of getting the tiller to fit in the outboard well. The web site link is below.
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Richard H.
EZ steer system
I have a 1995 26S with an 8.0 Nisson 2 cycle. There is no tiller on my engine at all. It does not handle well with just the rudder. I have had several near collisions in the marina because of this. I like the idea of the thruster since the rudder has been damaged twice. I I am looking for an easy fix. The EZ steer system may work, but it sounds like maybe I should change engines or find a tiller for this one. I was thinking of selling, but would rather not. Suggestions please.
I have a 1995 26S with an 8.0 Nisson 2 cycle. There is no tiller on my engine at all. It does not handle well with just the rudder. I have had several near collisions in the marina because of this. I like the idea of the thruster since the rudder has been damaged twice. I I am looking for an easy fix. The EZ steer system may work, but it sounds like maybe I should change engines or find a tiller for this one. I was thinking of selling, but would rather not. Suggestions please.
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Steve Paul
Tiller arm is a good thing
I have a 26S with 8 hp Tohatsu. This Tohatsu does have a tiller arm. I find with the rudder and the engine tiller arm I can make a very tight turn if I need to by using both rudder and engine at the same time. I do wish I had a thruster arm attached to the anti-cavitation plate to keep the rudder and prop apart though. Can you find a tiller arm for this engine? Or make one? Steve
I have a 26S with 8 hp Tohatsu. This Tohatsu does have a tiller arm. I find with the rudder and the engine tiller arm I can make a very tight turn if I need to by using both rudder and engine at the same time. I do wish I had a thruster arm attached to the anti-cavitation plate to keep the rudder and prop apart though. Can you find a tiller arm for this engine? Or make one? Steve
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Marshall
Nissan 9.9 works on my 92 26S.
I've got the Nissan 9.9 4stroke on a 92-26S. Yes, the tiller handle fits in the well. No, it will not turn, unless you fold the tiller handle up, and then the turning is limited. Works OK for me. Love the engine. I turn with the rudder 99 per cent of the time. If I need a little tighter radius I can always reach down, pull the handle on the motor up and turn it a little one direction or the other. Local dealer beat Porta-bote's price for me by another $100. I couldn't believe it. I think it was a deal where they were able to get a special on it with a truckload full of bigger motors.
I've got the Nissan 9.9 4stroke on a 92-26S. Yes, the tiller handle fits in the well. No, it will not turn, unless you fold the tiller handle up, and then the turning is limited. Works OK for me. Love the engine. I turn with the rudder 99 per cent of the time. If I need a little tighter radius I can always reach down, pull the handle on the motor up and turn it a little one direction or the other. Local dealer beat Porta-bote's price for me by another $100. I couldn't believe it. I think it was a deal where they were able to get a special on it with a truckload full of bigger motors.
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Gregg D
Power Tiller
Richard, I ordered mine this week. I should have it some time next week. I spoke with Bill, and he thinks I will be able to get the thing on in less than a half day. The Yamaha that I have is all set up and all I need is cable ends. We are heading out to San Francisco Bay in March, After my maiden voyage, I will let you and everyone know what I think. I ordered the Off Shore version, with the kill switch and starter. So I should be set. Gregg
Richard, I ordered mine this week. I should have it some time next week. I spoke with Bill, and he thinks I will be able to get the thing on in less than a half day. The Yamaha that I have is all set up and all I need is cable ends. We are heading out to San Francisco Bay in March, After my maiden voyage, I will let you and everyone know what I think. I ordered the Off Shore version, with the kill switch and starter. So I should be set. Gregg
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