Who Do You Buy Your LED's From?

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Jun 3, 2004
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Island Packet Island Packet 29 West River, MD
There are soooo many companies selling LED's. When I do a Google search I'm not sure who is reputable and who is not. The price differences from company to company is wide. I will be replacing my navigation bulbs and anchor bulb which are Aqua Series 40 models. The interior bulbs are G4, BA15d (1142) and BA15s (1156).

Who is selling quality marine grade LED's at the best prices? I assume it's not the cheap guy. So far www.marinebeam.com seems like a good choice. Can anyone provide some others?

Thanks,
Joe Mullee
1983 Hunter 34 #180
 

KD3PC

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Sep 25, 2008
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search this forum for LED and Maine Sail...his research, process and pictures are impecable. He lists a few vendors to use, and his research will show you the "light" weights. I just got one of the "new" sensibulbs from Sailor's Solutions and could not be more pleased...for the outside stuff check practical sailor and here as well.

BTW, this site, sailboat owners has great prices and service next to none...for LEDs, running lights and such..
 
Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Marine Beam is reputable as is Sailors Solutions / Sensibulb. The Sensibulb is by quite a long shot the best interior LED bulb and on a pure lumens per dollar, and color temp per dollar, really can't be beat. The new Sensibulb is about 170 lumens for $36.00. It casts a wider light and is significantly BRIGHTER than any other LED bulb I have seen at any cost.

Be aware that many disreputable vendors, won't name names but there are MANY (Super Br&ght, Mast L&IGHT etc.;)), sell bulbs that don't have any RF noise protection and use orphan (read cheap) emitters that rarely have consistent color temps.

As for your nav lights I would strongly advise using only Dr. LED USCG certified bulbs for your Series 40 BUT they only have all round and bow green and bow red certified. No stern and no bi-color Dr. LED bulbs have USCG certs. I would honestly rather see you buy factory made LED's from the likes of Hella or Aquasignal as the Dr. LED stuff has not been very reliable.. There are NO other aftermarket bulbs that have passed ANY certifications showing they meet the standards in fixtures designed for incandescent bulbs.

You can try to go cheap but it can be a real crap shoot...
 

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Apr 18, 2009
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CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
Some DIY info (with caveats)

Here are some DIY experiments I did which might be of interest. Note that a home-made LED bulb replacement in a navigation light, or a completely DIY navigation light, IS NOT USCG approved, obviously, so if you have any concerns at all about absolutely meeting the USCG standards, or avoiding any possible liability arising from using unapproved LEDs and fixtures, you should simply buy the complete USCG-approved LED navigation light units.

Note also that unless it expressly says so (somewhere), a commercial LED bulb replacement isn't necessarily USCG-approved for use in nav lights, either.

Due to being cheap, with a small boat that's seldom out at night, and having an electronics background, I have been trying some raw LEDs in bulk from suppliers like Digikey (small superbrights @ approx $0.50 ea. higher-power units @ $2+ ea.), local electronic surplus stores (hi-power suplus red & green @ $1.50 ea.), or even from ebay (150 assorted hi-brightness for $15), with mixed results.

My first project was re-lamping the anchor light. For this I soldered 3 inexpensive bright white LEDs in series, then carefully bent the leads to face 120 degrees apart, and added a series resistor selected to yield a current of 20 mA @ 12 V. This setup has proven to be visible to at least 1/2 mile on a clear night (adequate for the safety of our small boat), but not quite as bright as an approved fixture & bulb. My next step will probably be to double up on the LEDs (6 spaced out at 60 degrees) to improve this. Even so, the total current will be only 40 mA, which is about 1/20 the amount of current taken by a 10 watt incandescent bulb. I'm also thinking of adding circuitry to make the anchor-light momentarily blink OFF every 5 seconds, which greatly increases the attention-grabbing factor.

Based on the performance of the anchor light, I plan to also add a steaming light using 6 white LEDs.

I next tackled putting red and green LEDs into a pulpit-mounted bow nav light fixture. Again I used inexpensive bright LEDs. The red ones were less bright for a given current, but due to their lower voltage, you can drive 4 in series from 12v. Again, I selected resistors for 20 mA into each chain, for a total draw of 40 mA. Results here are also satisfactory, the only concern being that the employed LEDs have fairly narrow beams, leading to brighter and dimmer aspects as you view from different angles. Here I have to add more LEDs, choose LEDs with better diffusion, or choose a nav light fixture with a better-diffusing lens.

The stern white light is 3 LEDs as the anchor light, but this time 30 degrees apart to cover the required 120 degree spread. This one worked well.

For interior lights, it's also easy to fabricate bulb replacements or new LED fixtures, but most white LEDs available in bulk have that annoying bluey cast, whereas commercial interior LED fixtures are more likely to use 'warmer' white LEDs. Some of us are having great results with the small LED fixtures from IKEA. They're small, attractive, some are quite thin and elegant, and reasonably priced (eg 4 low-profile euro-styled "pucks" for $50, or two directional fixtures for $25) Some electronics knowledge is still required to select a suitable current-limiting resistor of the correct resistance and wattage.

Again, DIY nav lights or diy LED bulbs are not USCG approved.
Don't follow my lead unless you are confident in your abilities to produce a dependable product, and you test carefully to ensure your units match approved units for brightness, colour and distance.

On the other hand, interior lights need no approval, so it's a great place to start if you want to gain experience with LED lights
 
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Feb 6, 1998
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Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I'm also thinking of adding circuitry to make the anchor-light momentarily blink off every 5 seconds, which greatly increases the attention-grabbing factor.
I would not do that.

Here is a write up direct from the USCG Nav Center Web Site:

"14. Can I use Strobe Lights to be more visible at night?

For any other lights beyond those specifically defined within the Navigation Rules they should be such lights as cannot be mistaken for the lights specified in these Rules, or do not impair their visibility or distinctive character, or interfere with the keeping of a proper look-out (Rule 20).

Displaying a strobe for “higher visibility” would confuse other vessels as to your navigational status (many aids to navigation use a strobe or flashing). Also, lights provide direction and aspect information to other boat operators. For example, if while operating my vessel I see a red light on my starboard side I know I am the give-way vessel (Rule 16, 17). The use of a strobe light could overwhelm a vessel’s navigation lights and cease to provide such crucial direction and aspect information to other boat operators.

Also, Rule 36 of the International Rules addresses signals to attract attention and for the purpose of [that] rule the use of high intensity intermittent or revolving lights, such as strobe lights, shall be avoided. Rule 37 of the Inland Rules addresses strobes in regards to distress signals so that when a vessel is in distress and requires assistance she shall use…a high intensity white light flashing at regular intervals from 50 to 70 times per minute.
Since strobe light use is to be avoided (International waters) or used as a distress signal (Inland waters), it cannot be used to routinely mark vessels operating on the water."







There is no "requirement" to have an anchor light on the mast head. It does need to be a 360 degree all round light that is visible over an arc of at least 356 degrees so can't be too obstructed. Mounting it lower can illuminate the cockpit or other parts of the boat to increase visibility.. It should also be visible for two miles.
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
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CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
Hi MS,

I was unclear - the effect I'm suggesting is a steady white light that is momentarily turned OFF at a slow fixed interval (eg 5 sec on, 1/4 sec off). For the reasons you've given, and also for the sanity of my neighbours at anchor :eek:, I would certainly not suggest a strobe, which is a momentary bright flash.

Sorry for not making that clearer in my description, and thanks for the very important clarification and info on the unsuitability of strobes as boat markers.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,709
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi MS,

I was unclear - the effect I'm suggesting is a steady white light that is momentarily turned OFF at a slow fixed interval (eg 5 sec on, 1/4 sec off). For the reasons you've given, and also for the sanity of my neighbours at anchor :eek:, I would certainly not suggest a strobe, which is a momentary bright flash.

Sorry for not making that clearer in my description, and thanks for the very important clarification and info on the unsuitability of strobes as boat markers.
Strobe or blinking on and off are still not what nav lights are supposed to do. A blinking nav light is still not in compliance with the COLREGS as that is not what any boater would be looking for as an anchor or nav light and not what meets the definition of an "unbroken" white all round light.. Anchor lights are not intended to blink, flash or strobe.
 
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