Which Oday's have a deck stepped mast?

[DStegs49]

Hey all, I am wondering which Oday in the 26 to 28 foot size has a deck stepped mast. The reason I would like to know is I would like a trailerable (shoal draft or swing keel) that I can launch and retrieve myself. I had a trailerable S2 8.0 with an 8foot beam. S2's appear to be a bit scarce and I am researching Oday's, Catalina's and Hunters to meet my needs and wants. It looks like the Odays in this size have a bit wider beam which would not create a trailering problem. The few times it would be trailered would be spring and fall and maybe one trip in the summer. I checked on the oversize permit for the haul and it is doable. My desire is a 36 footer but because of the time it takes to get anyplace by sailing with limited vacation time I am searching for as large of trailerable sailboat as possible. Last sailboat was a Pearson 10m and with the twofootitess the 36 footer would overcome the disease for a few years. Any info would be appreciated. I started with a 22 and will not go that small again. Thanx. Dave

 

[emergpa1]

Hey all, I am wondering which Oday in the 26 to 28 foot size has a deck stepped mast. The reason I would like to know is I would like a trailerable (shoal draft or swing keel) that I can launch and retrieve myself. I had a trailerable S2 8.0 with an 8foot beam. S2's appear to be a bit scarce and I am researching Oday's, Catalina's and Hunters to meet my needs and wants. It looks like the Odays in this size have a bit wider beam which would not create a trailering problem. The few times it would be trailered would be spring and fall and maybe one trip in the summer. I checked on the oversize permit for the haul and it is doable. My desire is a 36 footer but because of the time it takes to get anyplace by sailing with limited vacation time I am searching for as large of trailerable sailboat as possible. Last sailboat was a Pearson 10m and with the twofootitess the 36 footer would overcome the disease for a few years. Any info would be appreciated. I started with a 22 and will not go that small again. Thanx. Dave

The 26 is deck stepped. At 4800 lbs plus trailer and gear it is a bit heavy but for short trips is perfect.

 

[bria46]

The O'Day 272/272le havd deck stepped masts. 9 foot beam.

 

[Joe11688]

I think that what Dave is really looking for is an O'Day sloop with a deck stepped mast on a hinged tabernacle.

 

[Ron10139]

Hey all, I am wondering which Oday in the 26 to 28 foot size has a deck stepped mast. The reason I would like to know is I would like a trailerable (shoal draft or swing keel) that I can launch and retrieve myself. I had a trailerable S2 8.0 with an 8foot beam. S2's appear to be a bit scarce and I am researching Oday's, Catalina's and Hunters to meet my needs and wants. It looks like the Odays in this size have a bit wider beam which would not create a trailering problem. The few times it would be trailered would be spring and fall and maybe one trip in the summer. I checked on the oversize permit for the haul and it is doable. My desire is a 36 footer but because of the time it takes to get anyplace by sailing with limited vacation time I am searching for as large of trailerable sailboat as possible. Last sailboat was a Pearson 10m and with the twofootitess the 36 footer would overcome the disease for a few years. Any info would be appreciated. I started with a 22 and will not go that small again. Thanx. Dave

Hi,

We have an ODay 272LE. It has a pinned mast foot, we extended the winch upright on the trailer ( mast raising sys) and we have had no problems launching and pulling our boat. We launch on our home lake in the spring, take a summer tip to Lake Michigan return home for the rest of the season. This is our fourth sailboat and we absolutely love it. It looks huge on the trailer and people are amazed watching us rig it. She is a delight to sail and has a reasonably ample cabin.

Good Luck
Ron

 

[DStegs49]

Trinkka is right. I am not all that familiar with Oday's so I asked it for the purpose of being able to launch and retrieve it and step the mast with the forstay or halyard. I had this system on my S2 and it worked nicely. Sounds like the 26 and 272's would work nicely for this. I didn't want one that I would need a marina or a gin pole to step the mast. Thanks for the info. Dave

 

[Joe11688]

Trinkka is right. I am not all that familiar with Oday's so I asked it for the purpose of being able to launch and retrieve it and step the mast with the forstay or halyard. I had this system on my S2 and it worked nicely. Sounds like the 26 and 272's would work nicely for this. I didn't want one that I would need a marina or a gin pole to step the mast. Thanks for the info. Dave

I think that what you would want is a late model O'Day 25 or 26 keel/centerboard Dave. Both have hinged tabernacles and are shoal draft for trailering. Some of the later models are set up for mast raising in that they have triangular plates built into the stays for the boom bridle attachment as a Gin Pole for raising the mast from the bow of the boat. Myself, I prefer raising the mast from aft with a Gin Pole that I had built for me by my son. The O'Day 272s are very shoal draft if you can find one with a hinged tabernacle. One of my friends owns a 272 with an outboard engine on the stern, but it doesn't have the hinged tabernacle. Take your time and look around until you find what you want. Good Luck!
Joe

 

[RECESS]

When you say without a gin pole.... are you referring to using an electric winch? If you are talking about stepping the mast by hand, by yourself on a 25 Oday or larger... you better be David Banner and be ready to get really pissed off until the green skin kicks in. Me and two friends hand stepped my mast once, never, ever again.

 

[DStegs49]

Recess: I had the S2 8.0A. I launched and stepped the mast with just my wife and I. We had no problems with it. She handled the forestay and I walked the mast up from the cockpit. If I had to do it by myself, I think it would have been doable with a pole at 90 degrees from the base of the mast or a line to the spreaders to a block on the bow back to one of the winches. I also saw a youtube video of a guy with a Catalina 25 raising the mast by himself, in the water. Not him, the boat. No "green guys" were near either of us. I picture a gin pole as being a shore based pole with a 90 degree angle at the top that you use a winch and line to raise the mast from shore and move it to the boat and set it in place. I might be off in my nomenclature. Thanks again for all your comments and suggestions. Will look for an Oday 26 or 272 model.

 

[DStegs49]

Recess, I stand correcte on the "gin pole". I guese it doesn't have to be a shore mounted pole. I googled gin pole and found this site for making one. This might help you if you have to raise your mast by yourself. Dave
http://aim.search.aol.com/aol/image...imgHeight=460&imgSize=32313&imgTitle=gin+pole

 

[Joe11688]

Recess, I stand correcte on the "gin pole". I guese it doesn't have to be a shore mounted pole. I googled gin pole and found this site for making one. This might help you if you have to raise your mast by yourself. Dave
http://aim.search.aol.com/aol/image...imgHeight=460&imgSize=32313&imgTitle=gin+pole

I'm using this Gin Pole set up with the exception of the boat winch and the baby stay attachment on the mast with the main halyard. In place of the boat winch, I'm using my boom vang which is made up with an extra long rope.

I had used that mast attachment pictured on that link for the temporary stays (baby stays) about two years ago and I wasn't too happy with it, so I adopted a similar attachment that my friend Wayne has been using on his mast for years.
Having to mess with the Main Halyard made the mast raising procedure too slow and involving. I found that a piece of wood that is shaped like a mast crutch, which you could clamp to your mast, will serve the same function, which is the prevention of the mast going over sideways as you're raising or lowering it.
The wooden mast attachment that I made can be very simple to fit snug on the mast with a long bolt and wing nut to make it tighter. The one I made has a hinge with two eye bolts and a fancy tightening mechanism that I Mickey Moused myself, but it really doesn't have to be that elaborate. Wayne has one with a long threaded bolt with a knob to tighten it to the mast. You guys who own O'Day 25s and 26s could get better mast stability with this mast bracket and use it in conjunction with present system of raising the mast from the bow. All that would be needed is this bracket for your mast and the baby stays that will attach to the triangular plates and the eye bolts on this attachment.
Baby stays are nothing more than 1/4" braid rope with dog leash snaps on both ends. You could make them out of wire stays but it's not necessary. The same with the pivot bridles. All this stuff can be purchased at Lowe's or your local hardware store.

To get a firm understanding of why pivot brides are needed in conjunction with the baby stays on the O'Day sailboats, you need to look at the MacGregor sailboat decks. Their decks are flat, and the mast tabernacle is the same height as the attachment points for the temporary stays. Consequently, all that is needed is the baby stays which attach to the mast somewhere within reaching distance to a couple of tangs bolted to the mast.
The mast Tabernacle on the O'Days is sitting on top of the cabin roof about a foot or so higher than the side decks where the chain plates are located and because of this, the pivot bridles with the rings are needed for the baby stays to work. While it is true that the top edges of the O'Day cabin are at the same height as the mast tabernacle, the width of the cabin is too narrow to support the mast. The temporary stays need to be as wide as possible for the temporary stays to do their job which is to keep the mast from going over sideways. All your regular stays are connected to the chain plates except your fore stay and they will stay slack until the mast is all the way in the up position. This is important to remember. Two other important things to remember is; the boat needs to be level and the wind needs to be coming from the stern if you're raising the mast from the stern.
With all this said, it's possible to raise a mast on these boats with out baby stays and pivot bridles, but if you have a roller furler attached to your mast, I strongly recommend the bridles and stays particularly if you'll be doing this by yourself and a lot of guys do.

In essence, the main function of the pivot bridles is to provide the pivot point for the temporary stays and when the pivot bridles are stretch out, the rings in the center of these bridles come even with the pivot point of the mast tabernacle pin. A picture is worth a thousand words so I've provided some pics that will illustrate the points I have made. I hope that I was able to be of some help here.
Joe

 

[emergpa1]

I'm examining those pictures very closely!
thanks again joe
keith

 

[emergpa1]

p.s. where is Penelope?

 

[Joe11688]

I'm examining those pictures very closely!
thanks again joe
keith

Keith,
In the second pic you see the pivot bridle as it is stretched out. The ring comes even with the pivot point of the mast. All I did was add a pad eye on the deck on both sides of the cabin for one end of the bridles. For the other end of the bridles I am using a small stainless steel shackle between the turnbuckle toggles. The ropes on these pivot bridles are the same length and this is very important because the bridles can be used on either side of the boat in any configuration.
In order to get the pad eyes in the right place on the deck you need to make up one of the bridles with two ropes, two dog snaps, and one stainless steel ring. Make sure that you leave enough rope to make your adjustments. Connect the snap from the bridle into the shackle and grab hold of the ring and stretch the rope out and eye-ball the ring with the bottom of the mast. Then adjust the rope to get the ring in the right place. Hook the snap on to the pad eye that you intend to install on the deck and hold it on the deck with one hand while holding the ring in position at the pivot point of the mast. The two ropes need to be the same length with the snaps and rings in place. When you get them even, just connect the snap into the shackle on the stay and the other snap on the pad eye and stretch the pivot bridle out while holding the pad eye on the deck. Adjust the position of the pad eye while eye-balling the ring.
Then mark the spot where the pad eye needs to go. Then take the same bridle and make up your other bridle the same length and spot where your pad eye needs to be installed on the other side of the boat. Once you have the pad eyes installed and the pivot bridles made up, you can make up the wooden crutch that fits on the mast. The baby stays can be made up of 1/4" braid line with two snaps on each of the stays. I'm using two more of these stays that connect to the rings on my pivot bridles and the bottom eye bolt at the end of my Gin Pole. The first two pics in this reply is one of my pivot bridles and my mast attachment. The last three pics are of Wayne's Seaward 22. The third pic shows two mast attachments. The one on the left is for the baby stays and the one on the right is part of his Gin Pole.

 

[estopa]

Hi Joe, I plan on setting a similar system like you did to yours so I can single handle the mast raising.

Quick question what is the difference between the 2 pictures you posted? Seems they both held onto the baby stays? No?

Also what length is your gin pole? Is it as simple as measuring from mast tabernacle to the forestay attachment on the bow?

BTW, nice woodworking on those attachments. I'll be also redoing the wood blocks the previous owner had to hold up the mast while trailering.

 

[Joe11688]

Hi Joe, I plan on setting a similar system like you did to yours so I can single handle the mast raising.

Quick question what is the difference between the 2 pictures you posted? Seems they both held onto the baby stays? No?

Also what length is your gin pole? Is it as simple as measuring from mast tabernacle to the forestay attachment on the bow?

BTW, nice woodworking on those attachments. I'll be also redoing the wood blocks the previous owner had to hold up the mast while trailering.

Hi George!
I got the idea for connecting my baby stays in the top picture from a guy who did an article on it a couple of years ago in Small Craft Advisor and I tried it out and found it to be a pain to need to have to tie and untie my main halyard to make it work. It was not only a PITA but it was also too time consuming so I adopted Wayne's idea of using a detachable wooden clamp to anchor my baby stays and it works great.
Prior to that, I used to tie my baby stays to my lower stays using the "Lineman's Rolling Hitch" and that worked, but it too was time consuming.
Last year I had a brain storm and tried tying a Rolling Hitch to my mast and using that to anchor my temporary stays, but that was even worse than anything I had come up with. What I really wanted was something that I could quickly clamp and unclamp on the mast that is easy and the wooden mast clamp in the lower picture fits that bill.
Like I said before, this thing can be made to fit snug and have a bolt and wing nut or wheel to get it so that it stays put on the mast when the baby stays are connected. We're not talking about a lot of pressure on these temporary stays, but just enough to keep the mast straight as she goes up or down. Once she's up, the permanent stays will hold it in place.
To make one of these, you only need to make a pattern of the shape of your mast out of cardboard and transfer the shape to the wood. You can use maple, oak, or even plywood for your finished product. Wayne has a metal strap around his with holes that receive a long bolt and a threaded knob. Two small eye bolts are needed to connect the baby stays and that's it. As I said before. This gadget would work in conjunction to the mast raising system on an O'Day 25 and 26 and offer a little more lateral stability to that existing mast raising rig. Good luck!
Joe

 

[Joe11688]

Hi Joe, I plan on setting a similar system like you did to yours so I can single handle the mast raising.

Quick question what is the difference between the 2 pictures you posted? Seems they both held onto the baby stays? No?

Also what length is your gin pole? Is it as simple as measuring from mast tabernacle to the forestay attachment on the bow?

BTW, nice woodworking on those attachments. I'll be also redoing the wood blocks the previous owner had to hold up the mast while trailering.

Hi George!
I got the idea for connecting my baby stays in the top picture from a guy who did an article on it a couple of years ago in Small Craft Advisor and I tried it out and found it to be a pain to need to have to tie and untie my main halyard to make it work. It was not only a PITA but it was also too time consuming so I adopted Wayne's idea of using a detachable wooden clamp to anchor my baby stays and it works great.
Prior to that, I used to tie my baby stays to my lower stays using the "Lineman's Rolling Hitch" and that worked, but it too was time consuming.
Last year I had a brain storm and tried tying a Rolling Hitch to my mast and using that to anchor my temporary stays, but that was even worse than anything I had come up with. What I really wanted was something that I could quickly clamp and unclamp on the mast that is easy and the wooden mast clamp in the lower picture fits that bill.
Like I said before, this thing can be made to fit snug and have a bolt and wing nut or wheel to get it so that it stays put on the mast when the baby stays are connected. We're not talking about a lot of pressure on these temporary stays, but just enough to keep the mast straight as she goes up or down. Once she's up, the permanent stays will hold it in place.
To make one of these, you only need to make a pattern of the shape of your mast out of cardboard and transfer the shape to the wood. You can use maple, oak, or even plywood for your finished product. Wayne has a metal strap around his with holes that receive a long bolt and a threaded knob. Two small eye bolts are needed to connect the baby stays and that's it. As I said before. This gadget would work in conjunction to the mast raising system on an O'Day 25 and 26 and offer a little more lateral stability to that existing mast raising rig.

My Gin Pole is 80" overall but the length of the Gin Pole is determined by where you will be clamping it to the mast to within one or two inches from the fore stay. I have the wood crutch clamped to my mast just under the goose neck fitting which is approximately 22" high on my mast and this is where I always connect it to my mast. The end of the Gin Pole comes about 1 or 2 inches from my fore stay. If I was to decide to move my Gin Pole up the mast, the end of the pole would hit my fore stays at some point because of the angle of the stay. So it's important to know where to place the Gin Pole and figure out what the length will be from that point. If you intend on using a block and tackle to raise the mast, you will need the room between the bow plate and end of the Gin Pole for the blocks to tighten up. A small boat winch on the Gin Pole doesn't require much room for a sheave at the end of the Gin Pole, so you could place the Gin Pole lower on the mast. The longer the Gin Pole, the harder it is to reach the end of it to set up the bridle when you're getting it ready to raise. Send me an email and I'll give you some rough measurement of my stainless steel Gin Pole. I had some work on my PC last month and the techy lost all my old emails and address book. Actually, if you don't plan on storing your Gin Pole on your boat as I do, you may want to build it out of wood and use regular hardware as opposed to stainless steel hardware. The first Gin Pole I made, I used an oak 2X4 and I made it to come apart in two pieces so I could store it under my quarter bunks.
Good luck!
Joe