Ok, sounds like this is a no go, Im going to have to buy a stick couse leaning over to hold tiller is killing my old back anymore, Ive sailed all these years with tiller and a few more wont hurt, Thanks. Mr Bill where do you take your mac to sail. we just moved to Daytona and sail in the river here, have not been out to coast yet, any thing differant I need to know from sailing in lake Erie?