What's comparable to a V2-22?

[spearfishlaketales]

I know this might not be exactly the right place to ask this, but I'm looking for a boat that might be comparable to the Macgregor/Venture 2-22. I'm up against some fairly specific limitations, and if I can't find the right Mac I at least need to have an idea of what to look for that's reasonably close.

My limitations include:

1. Maximum length 24 feet -- forced by garage. I'd be happier if it was a bit smaller, but can't go much over.

2. Minimum length 20 feet, and that's probably pushing it. Even 22 feet is going to be cramped as it is.

3. Pop-top. I don't have to have a full 6 foot headroom, but it has to be comfortably over five, demanded by the wife.

4. Shoal draft -- under 1 foot with centerboard/swing keel retracted. There are a number of reasons for this, partly due to where I'll be sailing it. Also, I want a boat that's beachable, again involving plans I have for it.

5. Light weight -- preferably under 1800 lbs. dry, 2000 at an absolute maximum, dictated by tow vehicle towing capacity.

6. Cheap: A good possibility of finding the boat in reasonable (I don't expect perfect) shape for $2000 or less.

A Venture 2-24 would fit in these specs. I also think a South Coast 22 would fit in them. But, can anyone suggest any other possibilties I could look for?

 

[MrMikey64]

You could checkout the specs on other types of vessels by searching through the website. Hunter and Catalina might be other choices to consider.
I'l tell you, having both a 22 and a 25 - there isn't a world of difference in interior room, but I noticed they do handle differently.
What region of the country are you located? Prices can vary significantly geographically, so you might find a deal if you expand the distance of your search.

 

[spearfishlaketales]

The Catalina 22 is too heavy and too drafty. Hunter 22 is even worse in those departments, but a Hunter 20 might possibly work, although the pop-top is an issue.

I'm in southern Michigan, and am searching out pretty far already. I'm just curious if there is some off-brand, hardly-anyone-ever-heard-of jewel out there that I might be overlooking.

 

[Sumner]

A guy here in town is selling one of these...

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http://www.sailingtexas.com/sclippermako21100.html

............ specs (I think)...

http://www.sailingjoy.com/sailboat_specs/view/67/clipper-marine-21

I think he is asking $800 for it and a modified trailer. He is lets say, different, so not sure about the price and it is way too far for you to travel to get it, but you might look at one if you see one.

It has a lot of room inside for a 21, but no pop-top, so the head room isn't 5 feet. I have no idea how good of a boat they are, but their draft is under 1 foot with the keel up. It looks like it might of been designed by William Crealock, well know, if the specs above are right.

It is the reason we are now sailors. It sat on the lot down the street for sale for $1995 for a couple years and I thought it was a good buy for a boat and trailer until I started researching boats on the internet and found out I could get more for less and then started reading about the Macgregor 26 S's and we went that route and never looked back.

We have 3 lakes a short distance from us, but all are less than 1 mile in length and narrow as they are in canyons. I looked at the boat above again yesterday since our Mac is too big for these lakes, but decided it is too big also. Some day we might get a Venture 17. I think it would be a good boat for these lakes and others withing a few hours drive,

Sum

Our Endeavour 37

Our Trips to Utah, Idaho, Canada, Florida

Our MacGregor S Pages

Mac-Venture Links

 

[Freedom77]

Catlina 22 biggest production boat in history, Oday 23, Clipper 21, Islander 23 Oldie but a goody, Balboa 20 great boat, and the list goes on. The clipper in the picture is a nice boat and the price is great. Fair winds and full sails...
Hey Sumner 2 boats is a fleet, 3 boats is a brokerage!

 

[MrBill_FLL]

the 1' shoal draft eliminates a lot of boats.

a mudhen would work but not much cabin.

maybe a potter?

I like the precision's and santana's but they don't meet your needs.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Portager 22 (looks like a Venture 22), Helson 22, Ensenada 20, Aquarius 21, Spindrift 22

 

[ChockFullOnuts222]

This was listed in southwest Michigan on 6-25-2011:

http://swmi.craigslist.org/boa/2461472157.html

1971 Venture 222, $990.

Here's a pricier one listed in Cedar Springs:

http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/boa/2453477935.html


Search craigslist all over the place within your search area, using the keyword "sailboat." I just did a very hasty search and found these two.

 

[spearfishlaketales]

The second one has already been sold, but thanks!

 

[nemosuit]

I'l tell you, having both a 22 and a 25 - they do handle differently.

Hi Mr. Mikey! :dance:

Having yet to get my '78 Mac 22 in the water (and problems with my pending retirement possibly delaying that even even longer...) I'm all ears when people share info about how the boat handles. Want to learn all I can from the experienced sailors in the group.

So: can you write a bit about how the 22 handles, and the differences between it and the 25, please?

As always, thanks in advance.

VBR,

Pat

 

[MrMikey64]

So: can you write a bit about how the 22 handles, and the differences between it and the 25, please?
VBR,

Pat

Well, I cannot count myself as one of the experienced sailors here, having been out a limited number of times, but I have tried both vessels. The 25 seems to have more stability in the water, its motions seem more fluid, and the ride doesn't seem as "choppy".
What this can be attributed to, I cannot say. In both cases I was sailing in similar conditons, on the same body of water. Winds were in the 5-10 kt range, and we were running with both main and jib. Rigging setups on both vessels were standard Mac factory.
As for design, there is only a year difference between the two vessels, so I can see little if any variation there.
I found the 22 to be quite nimble, and it responded well to helm control. We were heeling over quite a bit at times, but it was easy to correct.
These are my observations, anyway. My lack of experience may have a great deal to do with it.
If you get the opportunity, see if there is someone on the islands with a Mac 25, and maybe go out on it once or twice before (or after) you saill the 22. The differences you note may be far less.

PS - the one thing I noted that was an "issue" is the design of the cockpit drain on the 22 - splash-up from the drain was annoying. I'd suggest bringing some kind of drain stopper or rag to stuff in the hole, releasing it if necessary to drain.

 

[spearfishlaketales]

I think I may have found a boat. However, due to vacation schedules I won't be able to pick it up for a few weeks. Now the second thoughts are settling in!

 

[ChockFullOnuts222]

What kind of boat? And why the second thoughts?

 

[nemosuit]

Well, I cannot count myself as one of the experienced sailors here, having been out a limited number of times, but I have tried both vessels. The 25 seems to have more stability in the water, its motions seem more fluid, and the ride doesn't seem as "choppy".
What this can be attributed to, I cannot say. In both cases I was sailing in similar conditons, on the same body of water. Winds were in the 5-10 kt range, and we were running with both main and jib. Rigging setups on both vessels were standard Mac factory.
As for design, there is only a year difference between the two vessels, so I can see little if any variation there.
I found the 22 to be quite nimble, and it responded well to helm control. We were heeling over quite a bit at times, but it was easy to correct.
These are my observations, anyway. My lack of experience may have a great deal to do with it.
If you get the opportunity, see if there is someone on the islands with a Mac 25, and maybe go out on it once or twice before (or after) you saill the 22. The differences you note may be far less.

PS - the one thing I noted that was an "issue" is the design of the cockpit drain on the 22 - splash-up from the drain was annoying. I'd suggest bringing some kind of drain stopper or rag to stuff in the hole, releasing it if necessary to drain.

Thanks Mike. Will do.

 

[Freedom77]

Hey Nemosuit, Great to here from you. Difference in handling v-222 vs v-25. As I mentioned in another post. We had our V-222 for five years and upgraded to a V-25. We loved the 22 and it handles great. It is a little "tubbier" that the 25 but sails similar. Due to fact that 25 is longer and beamier the 25 is little stiffer and has less weather helm in heavy air. AS mentioned just stuff a piece of sponge or rag in cockpit drain. I could go on, but you have a great boat. Enjoy. Fair winds and full sails....

 

[MrMikey64]

Just in case I gave anyone the wrong impression, I enjoy sailing both the 22 and the 25. Either one is a blast! Thought about keeping the 22, but prevailing voices want the 25, so the 22 will probaby be sold this week. This will reduce my stock down to one boat. The fleet has been decommissioned...

 

[spearfishlaketales]

What kind of boat? And why the second thoughts?

V2-22, supposed to be in good shape, but pending inspection, of course.

Second thoughts -- well, the same I get with any major purchase, like with cars -- you're always trading the devil you know for the one you don't. Is this going to be a good move? Am I going to be able to use it as much as I would like to in the way I would like to? That kind of thing.

 

[printbr]

A Santana 2023 is a 23 foot trailerable. A very nice one is available in your neck of the woods. Look for it in the trailer sailor classifieds.