What was your Big trip this season?

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Jun 2, 2004
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How long did you plan and what went into your planning? Why did you choose your destination? Did you preplot courses and deadlines? What parameters and sources did you use for weather windows? Did you follow your plan or just work off of it? Did the planning pay off and what criteria will be part of the planning of the next trip? Did the trip end up rushed or did you plan an appropriate amount of time planned? This doesn't have to be a trip you took this year. In fact the compounded knowledge of planning many trips is what I am seeking. Hoping for some good response. r.w.landau
 
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Jerry Clark H356 SV Persistence

Planning trips

I take many weekend trips on Kentucky Lake and also an annual trip from Charlotte Harbor to Key West with friends. My background in planning comes from Air Force pilot training in 1970 and years of flying. I really enjoy navigation planning and review the routes extensively before departure so I know what areas to be most careful in. I seek out local knowledge when out of my area. I get my weather from the WX Channel mostly. I look extensively at the conditions for a couple of weeks ahead if going out in the Gulf. I try to understand the patterns and then listen as well to NOAA broadcasts on VHF enroute. I also use my Globalstar phone to get WX off the internet while enroute. Deadlines can get you killed. Always plan for alternates if the WX is not at it's best and always have a backup plan in mind. Having to be someplace at a specific time in a sailboat is not a great idea - so build in extra days for delays and then don't get in a hurry. I generally plan on a 5 knot average and if the wind is light will motor sail. I track my ETA at all waypoints as I proceed enroute. I use Raymarine's Raytech 5.0 software for both planning and on my boat. I charter a boat out of Burnt Store Marina for my Gulf trips with Raymarine instruments and carry my laptop on board. That way, I am familiar with the nav gear and don't have the complication of learning some new software or hardware operation. Crusing is a lot of fun and for me, planning is equally fun.
 
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FrankR

Galveston to Ft Lauderdale

I helped to deliver an Amel 52 footer with 3 other guys. Great experience, learned some things and first truely night sailing. Matching the lights at night against the radar screen. We spent time marking waypoints and entering them into the GPSes and autopilot, recording position every hour, didn't rush things. Checked off bouys and way points as they were passed. Passing on information at each shift change. Out of sight of land for 6 days. Hope to do some more deep water sailing again soon.
 

Rich L

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Hawaii

Biggest trip of my life. There are only 3 sailboats in HI to rent - all from the same guy. We had 20 people, almost all who have known each other for 20+ years, did 10 days on the water sailing between Oahu, Molokai, Lanai, and Maui. We took the boat owner along for his local knowledge which was very helpful. Anchorages were not very plentiful and we would have had a terrible time rolling at night if he wasn't along to show us where to anchor or get us into marinas with his memberships. The seas and wind were very consistent: 6-8 ft and 15-20 knts. Just a day or two outside that range (more). Scenary was spectacular with lots of huge cliffs, lush rainforests, and 1,000' waterfalls into the ocean. We had a couple of spouses who weren't quite so adventurous and were unhappy (and expressing it) early in the trip. After a while, everyone settled into the groove and had a wonderful time, though those spouses may not sail again for a while. We trolled about 30% of the time, but only caught a few fish - it was worth it. The boats were in pretty sorry shape. Heads didn't work; hatches leaked every day on our bed; mainsheets twisted; anchor rode hockled, sheets badly worn and stiff (one broke and resulted in a torn jib), ad infinitum. There was a Hunter 54, Beneteau 50 and Beneteau 43. One marina owner told us he knew the charterer and commented out of the blue that he doesn't take care of his boats. This is definitely blue water sailing. The charterer requires substantial blue water experience to bareboat. I wouldn't rent from this guy again even if I had substantial experience, but I also wouldn't trade this experience for anything. It was a hoot!
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Sandusky to Mount Clemens

Our purpose was to explore the Detriot River and Lake St, Clair for future trips to the North Channel, and to visit New Haven, MI, my Dad's childhood home. We started with the Admiral and my brother Matt. The first day, we loaded Matt's kayak, and sailed about 12 miles to Kelleys Island where we anchored on the north side for the night. This is a great anchorage, and the sunset was beautiful. Failure to carefully plan our course led to a scary encounter with Gull Island Shoal on the 15 mile leg to Pelee Island the next day. Our first warning of danger was looking down at big rocks just below the keel! We were lucky that Lake Erie is high this year (and we only draw 3.25 feet.) By the way, on this wonderful light air reach, our asymetric spinnaker definitely converted a motoring leg to a great broad reach spinnaker run in light southwesterlies, with speeds varying from 2,5 to 4 knots. The next day, we pedaled around Pelee Island, and bought a few cases of wine. During the two days at Scudders on the north side of Pelee, we planned the rest of the route in detail, and entered new waypoints in the GPS. I use the Richardson chart book, Ports of Call, and the Great Lakes Cruising Club's (GLCC) pubs (the last on my PC) for planning. Luckily, we ran into a Canadian couple from Lasalle Mariners Yacht Club on the east side of the Detroit River. They race on the river, and gave me a wonderful briefing on the currents, describing a route along the east shore that would minimize the opposing current, and maximize our pleasure from nature. That led to some new waypoints! Then it was off 16 miles to Colchester, Canada, just east of the mouth of the Detroit River. When we arrived at Colchester, we pumped out right away (Scudders does not have a pump-out). An unfortunate spill caused by a previous boater's pumping of a textile rig that blocked a key valve met with wonderful response from the people of Colchester. Wayne, the manager of parks and facilities took charge of the clean-up, and Dianne, the prettiest bilge pumper on Lake Erie helped to put us back in spic and span condition. Janet calmed all involved, while supervising lunch from the pleasant staff at the grill. A quiet evening in Colchester, watching passing thunderstorms from under the hill was much needed. The next morning, we rose bright and early and did a quick start at dawn to run up the Detroit River about 20 miles to the Wyandotte Yacht Club in Ecorse, MI. Although the GLCC's publications have the best general descriptions of the river, their table showing 0.5 to 1.0 knot currents in the river is misleading. 0.5 to 2.5 knots is a better range. Our Canadian informants said that you can see big differences in the current around the buoys depending on weather over the Huron/St.Clair/Detroit/Erie system. We were bucking 1 to 2.5 knots all the way up the river, despite staying as close to the shore as we dared. There is a huge flock of Eurpoean swans in the swamp south of Turkey Island - what a beautiful sight! We passed west of Turkey, then east of Fighting and Grassy Islands for a good view of old and new development on the Canadian shore. At the Wyandotte Yacht Club, we met my Dad, and other brother, Craig, who boarded Lady Lillie, while the Admiral left, taking the kayak, the folding bikes, and departing with my Mom who was along for the ride. After a pleasant night settling in the new crew, we left around 8:30 the next morning to buck the current in the single channel of the Detroit past the industrial, downtown, and recreational sections of Detroit. It was a pleasant run, with the current setting us 1.3 to 2 knots depending on how close we dared to stay to the west bank. The wind (such as it was) was on our nose the whole day, but the forecast for the next day was more of the same, so we had to rely on the iron genny. Shipping was no problem, but we did see a lot of it! Motorboat wakes were a much bigger problem, especially when we were out on Lake St. Clair. A big wake on the bow would slow us by a couple of knots, while a wake from behind seemed to be no help at all. We were surprised to find a current of 0.3 to 0.5 knots was opposing us in Lake St. Clair, but made our dock at Markley Marine by 4:30 in the afternoon. It was a long, hot leg, but we recovered at a local restaurant, and hit the rack early. The next morning, we had a leisurely breakfast, and then went by rental car to our Dad's farm home (still there, but now surrounded by suburban developments), high school, and other sites. We enjoyed his stories, and seeing their locations. A new story about the day he and his buddies played hooky, and visited the country jail and courthouse was the hit of the tour! The trip meant a 12:30 departure - late, but we now had the current behind us. Lake St. Clair was a windless slog again, but the wind picked up with the current as we rounded Grosse Pointe for the run down the Detroit River. Two freighters, one passing the other, and both passing us made for some excitement. The crew of the passing freighter ran to the rail as we raised our rainbow colored spinnaker and shut down the engine. What followed was a wonderful run on our asymetric spinnaker down the Detroit River on a strong east wind and current. As the wind pulled behind us, we shifted to wing and wing, and were running from 6.5 to 8 knots with the help of the current! This time, we aimed for Crystal Bay, a popular anchorage on the Canadian side of the river 36 miles from our start, passing down the east side of Fighting Island (but west of Grassy), and shifting to the 110 when the turn south brought us to a close reach. We saw two bald eagles on Fighting Island, and Craig and Dad saw the flock of swans. As the sun set, we pulled into Crystal Bay, and dropped the anchor into a rocky bottom varying from 5 to 7 feet. Our departure the next morning for the 30 miles to Put-in-Bay would be run in variable winds under the remnants of hurricane Dennis. Our start was delayed by wrapping a huge bed of reeds around our prop and shaft. We had to dive twice to clear it. We finally altered our plans to go down the "up" channel, and were able to sail free! If we had had a day to spare, we would have stopped in Colchester with the funny covering of cumulus over the lake. But we motor sailed out on to the Lake, where the wind steadied to moderate from the southwest. Then the thunder and lightning started. There didn't seem to be any well organized storms, but we were edgy, since the strikes were hard to predict, and coming all around us. We deployed an additional grounding wire that attaches to our mast, and provides an additional square foot of copper grounding area to the keel grounding that is standard on our boat. The closest strike was about three seconds straight ahead of us - didn't look like much of a cloud over it. We ran through some rain, and kept on slogging. As we neared Put-in-Bay. we couldn't understand the fisherman, and recreational boaters who were choosing to sit under the storm system. At least we didn't see any para-sailors! We cleared out from under the heavier clouds an hour out of Put-in-Bay, and shut down the engine, to end the run with a great sail into port. After we picked up our mooring ball, the rains returned, and getting and staying dry was our goal. A quick pot of hot soup was a great late afternoon snack, and we spent a good night in this fine (if somewhat noisy on Saturday night) port. The leg home from Put-in-Bay is about 16 miles over familiar ground. The winds were around 15 knots from the west-southwest. So we ran northeast to Ballast Island, then came up to a wonderful reach as we rounded the G5 buoy, and head south-southeast for Marblehead, and Sandusky Bay. A Hunter 41 rounded the buoy a quarter mile behind us. With good rail meat, we were holding steady at 5.8 to 6.5 knots flying our 110 and main. That's around our hull speed, but the h41 was slowly closing on us, although they were showing us lots of bottom paint in the gusts. As they were about to pass us, their big genny and main were just too much, so they rolled in their furling main to a reefed position to give them a better ride. We were just two boats on the lake, but we couldn't help noticing that we re-established our oroginal lead before they veered off for Huron or Vermillion to the southeast after we passed Kellys Island. When we reached Sandusky Bay, we hardened up to sail on the wind, but although this is Lady Lillie's worst point of sail, the rail meat paid off again, and we were home after just two tacks in the bay. That turned out to be more of a travelogue than I planned, but here are the answers to R.W.'s questions: - Our purpose was part nostalgia, and part exploration. - I did pre-plot the route, and schedule the trip. But familiarity with the Islands meant that I risked a nasty keel strike on Gull Island Shoal. There is nothing like putting a ruler on the chart, and reading everything you see on the planned route! The first half of the trip was well scheduled with appropriate reserves of time. We were pushing on the second half, and I was not happy with the risks we ran on the leg to Put-in-Bay. - We use NOAA radio, and the wonderful weather radar to keep us on top of the weather. A problem with anchoring out is that we couldn't get a detailed look at the remnants of Dennis on radar before setting out across western Lake Erie. We did talk to my wife on the cell phone, and I'm not sure that the picture she saw would have stopped us even if we had had a spare day. - We did follow our plan, but changed our Lake St. Clair destination from New Baltimore to Mount Clemens when we realized we were adding substantial distance without getting any closer to our target location. We also followed local advice in the final plan for the run up the river. - We will continue to plan for the trips. This is one of the principal joys of anticipation and preparation as the cruise approaches. I will return to the discipline of carefully reviewing each leg before setting out. - Despite wishing for one more reserve day, we did not end the trip rushed, and all claimed to enjoy the cruise. David Lady Lillie
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Thanks for your responses.

David, Thanks for your detail! I bet you relived that as you typed. I enjoyed it. I hope others reading this realize that David, Rich, Frank, and Jerry's responses were good to read and I hope they encourage others to continue to respond. This is not just for me but for new sailors, and old salts that may not be able to get on the water. r.w.landau
 
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T J Furstenau

Return from Mackinac

Our big trip was the return voyage after our race to Mackinac. (See story under Hunter racing). My sister-in-law was kind enough to drive up to Mackinac to drop off those kids that didn't race up, and then my wife and I, along with our four kids (5,7,9,11) took the following ten days to cruise back along the Michigan shore. In response to r.w.'s questions: The bulk of the planning went into our race to the island. Coming back we kind of played it by ear, using the Great Lakes Port o' Call book as our guide. We had a couple of planned stops, but other then a final deadline of being back to Racine by Saturday 7/30, we pretty much went as the mood struck us. We had enough provisions left from the race to keep us covered for a few days, knowing we'd need to make stops along the way for various items. Courses were preplotted on paper and in the GPS the night before, based on where we decided to end up the next day. Occasional changes were made on the fly. Heading south from Beaver Island, we talked about tucking in and dropping an anchor at South Manitou, but pending weather and dwindling ice pointed us into Leland, one of many favorite stops along the way. Weather and weather windows were gathered from several sources, depending on location. Some marinas provide current NOAA info, some towns had internet access which gave us access to varied sources, and finally the radio was the fallback. The duck into Leland and a shortened leg into Frankfort were dictated by the weather, as was our early departure from White Lake back across to Racine. I don't think we ever felt rushed. We stayed an extra day in Frankfort after meeting like minded sailors cruising with kids, which resulted in a relaxing day on the beach for the kids and new friends for us. An extra stop was thrown in to meet other friends along the way in White Lake. We had talked about making it as far south as Muskegon, Holland, or Saugatuck, but after being gone 14 days on the boat, we were ready to head home. There's always the next trip to get there. Getting back to planning, I would say we stuck with the motto that "It's all about the journey, and not so much the destination." Considering that we had originally discussed a western Wisconsin coast return, and made the decision to switch to the Michigan side while enroute to Mackinac, I'd say that our itinerary was definitely in pencil, with not a pen in sight. T J
 

MarkDB

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Jun 10, 2005
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Lots of Squirts

T J: Thats a lot of rugrats in your picture. How did you keep them happy for the trip back? Mark
 
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T J Furstenau

Keeping them happy

When on the boat, we tend to travel "unplugged", if you will. That is, no TV/DVD, no video games, etc. There have been times where we considered giving in, but so far we haven't needed to. While sailing, I try to keep them involved. Whether that means taking a turn at the wheel, talking with them about how the sails work, practicing knots, etc. They enjoy the fact that Dad likes to have "MOB" drills and has given them permission to throw bumpers overboard whenever. My son even jumped over once this trip (PFD on) so we could throw out the Lifesling and "save" him. They even get a kick when we are pounding nose into 3'-5' waves and taking spray over the bow. (That is, until the get so wet that they get cold.) While in port, things like books, cards, dominoes, using their imagination playing games are just a few of the things that keep them occupied. Walks into towns to find the ice cream shop, swimming at the beach or pool. Lots to do. And fortunately, they get along extremely well and do a good job of entertaining themselves. T J
 
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Tom

One Week Mid-Chesapeake Bay Cruise

My family (myself, admiral and 4 kids (11,9,7,5) spent a week cruising the mid-Chesapeake. We took it day by day and asked the kids each day if they wanted to return (definite NO!). I do not take the unplugged approach and include tv/vcr/nintendo as well as a complement of games for the kids. The TV/nintendo get very little use. Kids enjoy staying involved while underway with impromptu races, watching frieghter traffic and enjoying the scenery. Day 1: North of Bay Bridge to Wye River/Pickering Creek - about 28nm. Great anchorage at Pickering creek. Great weather, remote, good swimming. Day 2: Just a day of relaxation. We discuss that we could probably stay on the hook all week right in Pickering creek. Day 3: Cold front expected to come through later in the day. Weather has been perfect with high temps about 80 and near 60 at night. Cold front will maintain those temps. We decide to move before the weather and head for St. Michaels - about 10nm. Stop in St. Michaels and top off diesel, ice, etc. Pay for a slip for the night so that we can explore St. Michaels. Great place for the kids with maritime museum, skipjacks, history etc. About St. Michaels: http://www.stmichaelsmd.org/ Day 4: Depart St. Michaels for Rhode River on Western shore of bay - 22nm. Proceed up the Rhode River to anchor near Flat island. Day 5: Kids still having a great time with no desire to return home. Dinghy over to Flat Island which is probably 1/2 acre total with nice sandy beaches. After dinner receive word that the admiral's grandmother is ill so we decide to head back even though we won't get back until midnight. Head out and hit the bay after dark but there is a full moon. Dodge crab pots heading back to the slip with admiral on bow with search light. Relocated one crab pot about 100 yards after it hung up on the keel. Tacking shook it loose. Overall a great week. About 80nm for the week.
 
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