I can't mention the specific marina, they'd probably sue me. but its in Branford. weekend before last, my wife and i decided we had to get the boat ready for its launch on the 27th. as my wife was starting to wash the deck, we were informed that even though we were using a bio-degradable det. conn. law would'nt allow us to wash the boat on land. "in the water OK but not on land." thank god i already had cleaned the hull of old wax. Last weekend I went back to finish the job. Low and behold this time, when i was in the process of scouring off the scum where they did'nt clean on the power wash, no detergent mind you. just water and a kitchen scouring pad. I was then told that the law says you arn't allowed to use any water on land. needless to say i ended up painting over the scum. how in the hell are you supposed to get a boat ready if you can't use water. it seems like it might be a little difficult to wash and wax the hull from a dingy. Its a little ridiculas not to be able to rinse off the crap that falls from their trees. All this mind you in a marina that doesn't have a pit to stop anything at the travel lift. no tank to dispose used motor oil, however they power wash the lift and crane of the oil dirt, etc. in their yard. has conn. outlawed washing your car in your drive? or does it have to be washed by a state certified and liscensed car washing jockey. If they hav'nt, then they should, if boaters can't use detergents on land, then that should be the law for all. I'm not sure, but sounds a little discrimatory to me. some of these laws have gone way past prudent to ridiculas and absurd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe I should just give up,sell it, and move on to my rocking chair. Of course I'll have to buy a helmet, have a seat belt and roll bar installed on my rocker, "by a certified,liscensed installer of course." comments welcomed. capnjim sv "Que Pasa"
WHAT IN SAM HILL IS WITH CONN. MARINA LAWS
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Glenn Harvey
Is it the law or...
has your marina gone 'full service'. At our marina, you are not allowed to 'touch' anything below the toerails when the boat is on land. We can work below the toerails after it is launched. Do a little internet searching to find the actual laws refered to by your marina, there may be none! Good Luck!
has your marina gone 'full service'. At our marina, you are not allowed to 'touch' anything below the toerails when the boat is on land. We can work below the toerails after it is launched. Do a little internet searching to find the actual laws refered to by your marina, there may be none! Good Luck!
this marina is no service!
I needed them to pull my rudder when it was hauled last fall so it could be repaired. was told they don't do any work on boats. in other words your on your own. btw. they definately arn't a green marina.
I needed them to pull my rudder when it was hauled last fall so it could be repaired. was told they don't do any work on boats. in other words your on your own. btw. they definately arn't a green marina.
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Don
Isn't a state reg in Connecticut
If you were to check this out first, you would better serve the group. The Connecitut DEP, nor any other regulatory agency, has any regulation whick precludes the types of activities to which you refer. This is either the uninformed opinion of some yard worker or a silly attempt to get more work for the marina at your expense. Don
If you were to check this out first, you would better serve the group. The Connecitut DEP, nor any other regulatory agency, has any regulation whick precludes the types of activities to which you refer. This is either the uninformed opinion of some yard worker or a silly attempt to get more work for the marina at your expense. Don
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Steve Z.
Who "advised" you of the "law"?
Who was it that advised you of the Conn. "laws"? Was it a law enforcement official, or merely an officious marina worker? Or maybe even a nutty and misguided environmentalist?
Who was it that advised you of the Conn. "laws"? Was it a law enforcement official, or merely an officious marina worker? Or maybe even a nutty and misguided environmentalist?
the marina owner
The marina owner told me that that was the law. I could'nt believe what she was telling me, but only being up there for only one season how was i to know differently. i was formerly on the chesie. My suspicions are that the place is so environmentally screwed up that this is her way of trying to keep the dep at bay.
The marina owner told me that that was the law. I could'nt believe what she was telling me, but only being up there for only one season how was i to know differently. i was formerly on the chesie. My suspicions are that the place is so environmentally screwed up that this is her way of trying to keep the dep at bay.
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Richardin52@hotmail.com
Anyone can say anything
The next time someone says something to you that just sounds a little too far out there don’t blaming it on stupid government laws or stupid environmentalists. Ask to see the law or at least ask for the title and section of the law so you can look it up on the Internet. Most states have their laws on line. If you take everything people tell you as gospel, well I will only say that’s a little foolish. Unless the person quoting the law is an attorney, a judge or a state cop (and the state cop may be iffy) you should always get the law and read it yourself. Knowledge is power.
The next time someone says something to you that just sounds a little too far out there don’t blaming it on stupid government laws or stupid environmentalists. Ask to see the law or at least ask for the title and section of the law so you can look it up on the Internet. Most states have their laws on line. If you take everything people tell you as gospel, well I will only say that’s a little foolish. Unless the person quoting the law is an attorney, a judge or a state cop (and the state cop may be iffy) you should always get the law and read it yourself. Knowledge is power.
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Tom S
Thats a bunch of "hogwash"
Sounds as if the marina owner doesn't want your business. I would find another marina around there, there is no such law in CT saying you can't was your boat on land. Thats laughable. As others have said, I would challenge the owner where she has documentation or letters or statutes showing you that washing the boat on land is against the law. Also read the fine print of your marina contract, maybe its just a self made marina rule? Maybe she is on well water and doesn't want water wasted -- but I really doubt she could come up with a CT Statute. No other marina in CT, that I know of, has that restriction and I am talking about the big name marina's that are closely scrutinized by the EPA, state, etc.
Sounds as if the marina owner doesn't want your business. I would find another marina around there, there is no such law in CT saying you can't was your boat on land. Thats laughable. As others have said, I would challenge the owner where she has documentation or letters or statutes showing you that washing the boat on land is against the law. Also read the fine print of your marina contract, maybe its just a self made marina rule? Maybe she is on well water and doesn't want water wasted -- but I really doubt she could come up with a CT Statute. No other marina in CT, that I know of, has that restriction and I am talking about the big name marina's that are closely scrutinized by the EPA, state, etc.
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Marc_B
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What you are being told may be a misinterpretation of an environmental permit. The National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) permit system regulates (among other things) stormwater runoff from "industrial" facilties. A marina may be considered an industrial facility under this type of permit. One thing these types of facilities need to do in their pollution prevention plans is address non-stormwater discharges, like wash waters. These types of discharges are not prohibited, but some means to manage runoff if required. I suspect that if the marina is in fact under an NPDES permit, their solution to non-stormwater discharges is to "prohibit" them on the part of marina patrons. Since the permit only applies to the land at the marina, they'll tell you it's ok to wash the boat in the water. This is all only a guess, and probably more than you wanted to know. You might ask them the next time you're there. But washing probably isn't exactly "prohibited". Regards, Marc_B p.s. I'm not a lawyer. I work in the environmental field.
What you are being told may be a misinterpretation of an environmental permit. The National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) permit system regulates (among other things) stormwater runoff from "industrial" facilties. A marina may be considered an industrial facility under this type of permit. One thing these types of facilities need to do in their pollution prevention plans is address non-stormwater discharges, like wash waters. These types of discharges are not prohibited, but some means to manage runoff if required. I suspect that if the marina is in fact under an NPDES permit, their solution to non-stormwater discharges is to "prohibit" them on the part of marina patrons. Since the permit only applies to the land at the marina, they'll tell you it's ok to wash the boat in the water. This is all only a guess, and probably more than you wanted to know. You might ask them the next time you're there. But washing probably isn't exactly "prohibited". Regards, Marc_B p.s. I'm not a lawyer. I work in the environmental field.
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Don
Not NPDES related
NPDES permitting, as Marc suggested, applies to point source discharges only, e.g., process waste streams such as pit discharges. Don
NPDES permitting, as Marc suggested, applies to point source discharges only, e.g., process waste streams such as pit discharges. Don
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Marc_B
Don's probably right ...
it's not an NPDES issue. But what may be happening is someone incorrectly thinks it is, and so they make up dumb rules like "no boat washing". Marc_B
it's not an NPDES issue. But what may be happening is someone incorrectly thinks it is, and so they make up dumb rules like "no boat washing". Marc_B
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Bayard Gross
Keep cool, for the moment
Captain Jim: Your experiences are not unique on the Connecticut coast. Starting around the end of the summer of 2002, the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection, the same body that issues your Safe Boating Certificate (as opposed to, for whatever reason, the Connecticut Department of Motor Vehicles that registers your boat) started an enforcement program aligned around guidelines and regulations set forth by the Federal Department of Environmental Protection. This is just finally enforcing federal rules and regulations locally at the state level. The issues you are now facing, I have already encountered down here in Greenwich, Connecticut. At this time, it appears your yard is following an extremely strict interpretation of the rules. The particular technicalities of these environmental laws are such that a very broad and seemingly ridiculous interpretation may be made. Further, it is possible your yard may have paid some outrageous fine for some rather minor violation of the environmental laws. As such, the yard is probably taking great pains to protect itself from future penalties, and unfortunately at the expense of annoying its customers. Besides, what would you do if the state decided to shut down the yard? And one must remember, it is the yard’s property, and they do have the right to determine what activities may or may not be performed on its property. For the moment, your boating will be fraught with inconvenience. I will speak of my experiences in a Town of Greenwich boat yard. When these new rules and regulations were imposed, there was sufficient uproar that the town was forced to provide hull wash down areas with special DEP approved mats. As this was expensive, the town decided that to keep the environmentalists and boaters happy, it is best to have a see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil attitude. This means that what illegal activities you can away with working on your boat, are dependent upon where in the yard your vessel is located. Out in front with public scrutiny, you must be very careful and have all the proper cautions such as tarps and vacuums on sanders. Inside where only fellow boaters go, you can practically get away with murder. Some boaters perform illegal activities in the early evening when the critical public and/or yard managers have gone for the day, although they are still bound to eliminate any incriminating evidence. Like homicide, no body, no murder. What will eventually transpire for you is the same sort of compromise and adaption to the new rules as down here in Greenwich. Enough people will complain and go to other less restrictive yards that your yard will make concessions. However, you will have to make some concessions yourself, probably no more than constantly having a tarp below your vessel and attaching a vacuum to your sander. Incidentally, you could add some strength to your complaints by mentioning the name of your boat yard assuming that you have well-founded facts in your statements. Such could speed up the ultimate concession and adaption process.
Captain Jim: Your experiences are not unique on the Connecticut coast. Starting around the end of the summer of 2002, the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection, the same body that issues your Safe Boating Certificate (as opposed to, for whatever reason, the Connecticut Department of Motor Vehicles that registers your boat) started an enforcement program aligned around guidelines and regulations set forth by the Federal Department of Environmental Protection. This is just finally enforcing federal rules and regulations locally at the state level. The issues you are now facing, I have already encountered down here in Greenwich, Connecticut. At this time, it appears your yard is following an extremely strict interpretation of the rules. The particular technicalities of these environmental laws are such that a very broad and seemingly ridiculous interpretation may be made. Further, it is possible your yard may have paid some outrageous fine for some rather minor violation of the environmental laws. As such, the yard is probably taking great pains to protect itself from future penalties, and unfortunately at the expense of annoying its customers. Besides, what would you do if the state decided to shut down the yard? And one must remember, it is the yard’s property, and they do have the right to determine what activities may or may not be performed on its property. For the moment, your boating will be fraught with inconvenience. I will speak of my experiences in a Town of Greenwich boat yard. When these new rules and regulations were imposed, there was sufficient uproar that the town was forced to provide hull wash down areas with special DEP approved mats. As this was expensive, the town decided that to keep the environmentalists and boaters happy, it is best to have a see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil attitude. This means that what illegal activities you can away with working on your boat, are dependent upon where in the yard your vessel is located. Out in front with public scrutiny, you must be very careful and have all the proper cautions such as tarps and vacuums on sanders. Inside where only fellow boaters go, you can practically get away with murder. Some boaters perform illegal activities in the early evening when the critical public and/or yard managers have gone for the day, although they are still bound to eliminate any incriminating evidence. Like homicide, no body, no murder. What will eventually transpire for you is the same sort of compromise and adaption to the new rules as down here in Greenwich. Enough people will complain and go to other less restrictive yards that your yard will make concessions. However, you will have to make some concessions yourself, probably no more than constantly having a tarp below your vessel and attaching a vacuum to your sander. Incidentally, you could add some strength to your complaints by mentioning the name of your boat yard assuming that you have well-founded facts in your statements. Such could speed up the ultimate concession and adaption process.
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Tom S
Yeah, but in NY lots of marina's are
starting to make it where they wont even let you paint your own boat bottom
starting to make it where they wont even let you paint your own boat bottom
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Dennis
No more oil changes!
Cheer up people, a day is coming when you wont even be able to change your own car or boat engine oil!
Cheer up people, a day is coming when you wont even be able to change your own car or boat engine oil!
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