I'm glad the gal that bought my Vision 32 "Running on Empty" is (still) a friend of mine. She had the boat hauled to have a look at the bottom, check zinks, Etc. Mind you, we did the deal over a month ago, so this is NOT part of any survey. She just wanted to see.. So the yard pulls her out and starts to pressure wash the hull. Lo and behold, great platter-sized chunks of bottom paint start comming off! The yard calls her, she calls me, we confir and she goes down to check it out. She looks carefully at the "bare" hull and it shines like it was just taken out of the mold! End of problem. The hull had never been properly prepped for bottom paint! So, she needs to have a new bottom job done (~$50/foot). But, it will be done right this time! Winter's almost over here in California. I can't wait to go sailing on RoE with a brand new bottom! BTW- Once the paint was cleared, NO blisters were found on dear RoE's bottom! Cheers
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Rob Sherrill
OUCH!!!
That really smarts at $50/foot. For that amount I can bottom paint my Vision almost three times here in Jacksonville Florida. I am afraid my boating experience would come to an end real quickly at those prices. We are spoiled here. Only pay $5/foot for dock space. Of course it's a 8-9 hour haul down the river to the ocean but there is plenty of good sailing on the St. John's river.
That really smarts at $50/foot. For that amount I can bottom paint my Vision almost three times here in Jacksonville Florida. I am afraid my boating experience would come to an end real quickly at those prices. We are spoiled here. Only pay $5/foot for dock space. Of course it's a 8-9 hour haul down the river to the ocean but there is plenty of good sailing on the St. John's river.
Not really ouch!
Rob: You must realize that they have to take the bottom down to bare gelcoat. Then the hull must be de-waxed. I do not think that they are going to epoxy the bottom, but they should. Then the bottom must be repainted. This actually sounds reasonable, even in the SF Bay area. A normal bottom job is going to run at least $750 for this boat. When you consider that they need a pull and splash, the paint, labor, prep etc.
Rob: You must realize that they have to take the bottom down to bare gelcoat. Then the hull must be de-waxed. I do not think that they are going to epoxy the bottom, but they should. Then the bottom must be repainted. This actually sounds reasonable, even in the SF Bay area. A normal bottom job is going to run at least $750 for this boat. When you consider that they need a pull and splash, the paint, labor, prep etc.
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Tom Boles
I'll get more details tomorrow-we're going
...to the alameda fairgrounds boat show (she got free passes! Hi Steve- what a lot of folks don't realize is that there are few boatyards that will let an owner do there own bottom here in SF Bay. Many places will haul & splash for free if you pay for power wash & new bottom paint (applied). The environmental issues are really huge, and they want to control their liability as best they can...
...to the alameda fairgrounds boat show (she got free passes! Hi Steve- what a lot of folks don't realize is that there are few boatyards that will let an owner do there own bottom here in SF Bay. Many places will haul & splash for free if you pay for power wash & new bottom paint (applied). The environmental issues are really huge, and they want to control their liability as best they can...
Suggest epoxy.
Tom: You may want to suggest to your friend that they pay to have the epoxy done while the bottom is white. I am suprised that you can get this done in the bay area that cheap. We are getting ready to have a bottom job done in the delta and the price is about $700-750. That includes the power wash, prep, paint and labor. They do two coats at the water line. This is on a '85 H31. They might as well have it done and done correctly. Blisters are expensive to repair.
Tom: You may want to suggest to your friend that they pay to have the epoxy done while the bottom is white. I am suprised that you can get this done in the bay area that cheap. We are getting ready to have a bottom job done in the delta and the price is about $700-750. That includes the power wash, prep, paint and labor. They do two coats at the water line. This is on a '85 H31. They might as well have it done and done correctly. Blisters are expensive to repair.
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William Berson
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Let me get this straight. After a few seasons in the water, the bottom paint comes off in chunks when pressure washed, leaving a brand new, virgin hull? Wish I could have that! If it all came off, it would mean no special prep., no sanding,no uneven paint and a perfectly smooth new coat. I hope they left the mold release on my hull.
Let me get this straight. After a few seasons in the water, the bottom paint comes off in chunks when pressure washed, leaving a brand new, virgin hull? Wish I could have that! If it all came off, it would mean no special prep., no sanding,no uneven paint and a perfectly smooth new coat. I hope they left the mold release on my hull.
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Tom Boles
Money Vs Reality...
As i found out yesterday, $50/ft x 32 ft= $1600. This includes, powerwash, in & out, paint removal, iron keel foolishness (remove, gring,seal,paint) 2 coats overall, raise the waterline, clean & polish prop, new zinks, no layday charges. "couple of seasons", no. more like 12 years in the water in Northern & Southern California. The fun continues- we looked at electronics at the show the other day. Whoo-Hoo! cheers
As i found out yesterday, $50/ft x 32 ft= $1600. This includes, powerwash, in & out, paint removal, iron keel foolishness (remove, gring,seal,paint) 2 coats overall, raise the waterline, clean & polish prop, new zinks, no layday charges. "couple of seasons", no. more like 12 years in the water in Northern & Southern California. The fun continues- we looked at electronics at the show the other day. Whoo-Hoo! cheers
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Edward Steenstra, III
bottom paint
Sounds like it can be two things: Hull was not prepped right prior to painting, or if it had been painted twice or more a paint incompatibility problem. That sounds the more likely answer to me. That is the classic result of having two paints that are incompatible with each other. my 2 cents ED.
Sounds like it can be two things: Hull was not prepped right prior to painting, or if it had been painted twice or more a paint incompatibility problem. That sounds the more likely answer to me. That is the classic result of having two paints that are incompatible with each other. my 2 cents ED.
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Tom Boles
Good Point, Ed!
I never got to see the boat with the paint comming off in big flakes-she was already painted when I saw her on saturday. I'm told , though, that what was exposed was the bare hull, with NOTHING sticking to it. I'm no coatings guru, but it seems like the initial coat of paint if applied properly to a preped surface would not have it's bond to the bare hull weekend by subsequent layers of paint. I think...
I never got to see the boat with the paint comming off in big flakes-she was already painted when I saw her on saturday. I'm told , though, that what was exposed was the bare hull, with NOTHING sticking to it. I'm no coatings guru, but it seems like the initial coat of paint if applied properly to a preped surface would not have it's bond to the bare hull weekend by subsequent layers of paint. I think...
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Rodger Beard
Another California Boat - similar Experience
When I had my '90 Vision 32 hauled out here in Dana Point 3 1/2 years ago I had a similar experience. Big chunks of paint came off exposing the gelcoat in some places... but there were no blisters thankfully. I had a total of 8 coats of primer and paint applied after they first sanded down the hull to "new off the builder's floor" condition. $3200 bucks all told. Yup, $100 a foot and I'm not sorry. My diver says my bottom is still A-OK and I'm hoping to get 3 more years in the water. (that's 12 months in the water per year here in sunny Southern California - where I raced this weekend in a tee shirt and was sweating in 80 degree sunshine <s>) Those of you that live in lower cost of living areas may not be able to relate to the prices or the weather but they are real. Oh well... Rodger Beard s/v Attitude Adjustment
When I had my '90 Vision 32 hauled out here in Dana Point 3 1/2 years ago I had a similar experience. Big chunks of paint came off exposing the gelcoat in some places... but there were no blisters thankfully. I had a total of 8 coats of primer and paint applied after they first sanded down the hull to "new off the builder's floor" condition. $3200 bucks all told. Yup, $100 a foot and I'm not sorry. My diver says my bottom is still A-OK and I'm hoping to get 3 more years in the water. (that's 12 months in the water per year here in sunny Southern California - where I raced this weekend in a tee shirt and was sweating in 80 degree sunshine <s>) Those of you that live in lower cost of living areas may not be able to relate to the prices or the weather but they are real. Oh well... Rodger Beard s/v Attitude Adjustment
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Tom Boles
Thanks Roger!
Nice to hear from you again. And also nice to know this boat was not the only one to loose paint like this! How's the V32 racing scene?
Nice to hear from you again. And also nice to know this boat was not the only one to loose paint like this! How's the V32 racing scene?
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