Weather vane

Nov 1, 2021
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Hunter 19-2 Ashland WI
For the fun of it, I built a weather vane for my mast top. It is made of 18 gauge aluminum 1 1/2” angle, 12” long with a 3” vertical stabilizer and swivels on a 1/4” aluminum rod with 1/4” brass shoulder bushings. It does not point wind like the other mast top plastic vanes. Possible the vane is too heavy? Maybe the balance is slightly off. Is there a design formula out there somewhere. If so, I have not been able to find it.
Any ideas?
 
Apr 11, 2020
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MacGregor 26s Scott's Landing, Grapevine TX
I like the homespun quasi-military vibe. Cool.

No expert on the subject (has that ever stopped me?), but I would say that the portion behind the pivot point needs to present more surface to the wind than the portion in front. If you could move the pivot point closer to the front so that it was at least 2/3rds forward from the back and add a counterweight to the front to equalize weight on either side of the pivot point, I think it would work better.
 

PaulK

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Dec 1, 2009
1,409
Sabre 402 Southport, CT
It has to be absolutely evenly balanced in order for the boat's heeling not to impact the results. Quarter-inch bearings would seem to add a lot of surface friction too. You might want something more like a sewing needle.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The surface area of the body and the wings are too large.

Rather than reinvent the wheel, look at popular models and try to replicate them, or just buy a commercial one, in the end it will be less expensive.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,416
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I love my Windex. It's my main apparent wind indicator on the top of my mast. It works very well.

Lovely to build your own, quite a design you have there. So for back ground, I used to be a blacksmith and was commissioned several times to build/reproduce wind vanes from bygone years. I have made a number of them.

Given the very small cost of the modern Windex, I would never myself undertake building one as the Windex design is so well achieved. I think the last one I bought (a couple months ago) was about $30.

So first let me explain a bit about why the Windex is so well achieved. The body connecting the vane to the pointer is both very light weight and very low in aerodynamic cross section. The pointer is also very aerodynamic causing very minimal air foil type resistance. The vane has high wind resistance such that the overall pointer part of the vane wants only to face directly into the wind. There are minimal competing forces.

This vane is very well balanced from pointer tip to vane end. It pivots at a point - bearings are not desirable in this application. The point it pivots on is located along the centerline balance point both fore and aft, and the centerline balance point along the vertical axis. So it is balanced in essentially a 360 degree reference plane. Bear in mind, your boat may be healing.... The overall mass of the Windex is very small, minimal mass is desirable.

Another lovely aspect of the Windex is that the underside of the pointing tip, the vane, and the two angle indicators have reflective tape on them. So in the pitch black of the night, you can take a light and aim it at the vane and clearly see what your apparent wind is.

It is truly a remarkably well achieved product for mast top installations on sail boats. I'd suggest you think about all the aspects of what I've explained above and review your design. While unique artistic designs can certainly work - bear in mind, to function, they must approach the design of the Windex - at least for sailboats.

dj
 
Apr 29, 2012
67
Catalina 30 TRBS Lake City Marina
I agree the windex is an awesome apparent wind indicator but a few years back I had trouble convincing the Davis company that they had sent me a new windex that had a slight but noticable bend in the arrow part that is plastic. I asked them is this suppose to be this way and they said no. So they sent me another one and THAT one had a slight curve in it too. I told them and again they sent me another windex and again it was not straight! I somehow convinced them they had a problem, they looked at the production line and no bend in the indicators. After looking at the packaging I could see that the anti bird strike rod that is packaged underneath the plastic arrow was pushing up against the center and that's where the bend was! This was a packaging issue and over time the arrow presses on the rod and deforms. I relayed this to the Davis company and all they could say was we make the best indicators, around the world and not capable of an error. I then just used a heat gun to straighten the arrow and forgot about it. One year later a friend of mine at the slip and I were talking about wind indicators and guess what, he had the SAME thing happen to him! He also tried to convince the Davis company and again told him we make the best indicators in the world and sent him another BENT arrow indicator! Moral of story is that if you order an anti bird windex see if the arrow is straight.
 
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dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,416
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I agree the windex is an awesome apparent wind indicator but a few years back I had trouble convincing the Davis company that they had sent me a new windex that had a slight but noticable bend in the arrow part that is plastic. I asked them is this suppose to be this way and they said no. So they sent me another one and THAT one had a slight curve in it too. I told them and again they sent me another windex and again it was not straight! I somehow convinced them they had a problem, they looked at the production line and no bend in the indicators. After looking at the packaging I could see that the anti bird strike rod that is packaged underneath the plastic arrow was pushing up against the center and that's where the bend was! This was a packaging issue and over time the arrow presses on the rod and deforms. I relayed this to the Davis company and all they could say was we make the best indicators, around the world and not capable of an error. I then just used a heat gun to straighten the arrow and forgot about it. One year later a friend of mine at the slip and I were talking about wind indicators and guess what, he had the SAME thing happen to him! He also tried to convince the Davis company and again told him we make the best indicators in the world and sent him another BENT arrow indicator! Moral of story is that if you order an anti bird windex see if the arrow is straight.
My guess is they took your feed back as the packaging that my Windex came in with the anti- bird top did not have anything like what you described.

But more to the point, I was not trying to sell Windex but rather point out the superb design aspects of that instrument.

dj
 
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Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
I think it needs more verticle tail area .. The bearing will work but it won't be as sensitive as the Davis because of friction.. It needs to be precisely balanced as has been noted..
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
23,172
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
the Windex is very small, minimal mass
I have a boat rule. Never put something up on the mast that so heavy that when falls I will not be happy that I was under it.

While 18 gauge aluminum looks incredibly interesting on your deck, at 25ft above the boat it looks like a missile or harpoon waiting for its moment of launch.
 
Nov 1, 2021
132
Hunter 19-2 Ashland WI
Your comment on a missile waiting to be launched is something I had not considered. I will note that and more than likely purchase a Windex.
I find the challenge of designing and building my own is most rewarding!
Thank You all for your replies, I learned a lot this morning!