Weather Helm on a H. 34 - Negative Roach on the Main - Additional Reef Points

Jun 8, 2020
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Hunter 34 White St Helens, OR
Curious to see if anyone has had the mainsail recut on a Hunter 34 to remove the roach and to add negative roach to reduce the effects of weather help? I know that this will help with reefing a delaying the need to reef.

And has anyone added both a third and fourth set of reefing points to their mainsails? A fourth reef can be a substitute for a storm trysail and is much easier to manage in high winds.

Thanks in advance for your help.

SAM
 
Jan 19, 2010
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Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Storm sails are made with a much heavier cloth so simply adding another reef point will not turn your sail into a storm sail. I've thought about this though. I have sometimes wondered if anyone has ever made the very top part of their sail out of heavier cloth.. just for the reason you suggest. It occurs to me that with sail twist, you are often not really using the top of your sail for propulsion anyway so it might as well be made of heavier cloth.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Hey Sam... Welcome. Where are you sailing? What conditions do you enjoy? How new are the sails you are using?

Have you considered flattening your sails and adding twist to the sail when the winds bump above 18knts?

I am trying to understand you thinking here. What winds you sail and how you intend to take advantage of them.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,771
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
@rgranger
Not a good Idea, (my understanding) as you are adding weight where you do not want it. And the upper portion of the sail is a valuable asset to trim when the winds are light.
Sails like all things boat are a compromise.
 
Jun 8, 2020
78
Hunter 34 White St Helens, OR
I'm looking at sailing with my 15 year old daughter on the Columbia River Gorge, the north Pacific coast, Puget Sound and around Vancouver island. I don't ask the idea of a fourth reef lightly and I understand that the main will need to be off heavier stuff. there is a very compelling video of storm sailing conditions on YouTube by Skip Novack and Yachtingworld.com and why he uses a fourth reef. Having sailed a Cape Dory Typhoon in Green Bay work two reefs in the main already and winds building I wished at that time for a third and fourth. I want to about this on a new to me boat when you can't always pick the weather conditions your sailing in.
Sam
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
22,771
CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
OK... that helps. You are talking about a lot of different water with a vastly different weather/conditions difference from he Great Lakes. We fortunately are not quite the Skip Novack exposed to the Roaring Forties sailing of the Southern Oceans.

River sailing the Columbia is vastly different. There I consider the weather patterns, that predict the heavy winds of the gorge. There are times to be on the water and times to be anchored and watching the kite sailors flying (literally flying) by on their tethered wings. :yikes:

The Lower Columbia - stretch from the Bonneville Dam to the Ocean most of the time is full sail sailing. Occasionally you might throw in a reef, but unless you crave combat storm sailing up and down the river to test your boat, not much reason to reef more than a second reef point. I sailed the river in my 15ft Montgomery, sailing as far up river as The Dalles, and as far down river as the Ocean. When the winds got more than 25knots I could easily find a spot to hide out till the wind velocity changed. Granted it was like camping in a pup tent, but it was cozy. Nothing like your beautiful 34ft Hunter.

Ocean Sailing is all about weather planning. There are plenty of spots along the coast to ride over the Bar and snuggle in with the Professional fishing boats for the couple of days (ok maybe a week during the winter) it takes for a storm to blow through on the North Pacific Coast. Weather forecasting and the usually long time development of North Pacific ocean storms gives an alert sailor ample time to prepare.

Inside the Salish Sea and the Puget Sound are 42,000 sq miles of water to explore. Map of the Salish Sea & Surrounding Basin – Maps by Stefan Freelan
This is all inland water that provides rich sailing, exploring, and adventures behind a sheltering land mass from the open ocean. So far in my 10 years of exploration I have yet to cover but a small portion of the area first aboard my 15 ft trailerable pocket yacht, and now my 35ft Cal.

During all that time nothing more than a furled in jib and a double reefed main sail have been needed. When considering my new mainsail I decided to got with 2 reef points. Between the 2 reefs and the newer designs of sails for better trimming I am confident about sailing in the Salish Sea and around Vancouver Island.

I road out a November storm (recorded 60 knot gusts) a couple of years ago in a marina. The mast was swinging through 50 degrees as the boat pulled on the lines. Finally at one point, about 3 am, one of the dock cleats let loose with a loud bang. One of those deferred maintenance issues in the Marina. Next morning it was evident who had prepared and who had not. Knowing how to take the sails off your rigging and storing them inside when winds are forecast means your furled jib doesn't become shredded, or break your mast in two pieces as it is whipped around by the gusts.

Congrats on the "New to You" boat. Where are you located?
 
Jun 8, 2020
78
Hunter 34 White St Helens, OR
John - I am also in Portland OR. Looking at making an offer this week and trying to anticipate what I am getting myself into. I hear what you're saying about the kiteboarders! I would hate to be a tug captain passing Hood River and have those cutting in front of me!
I grew up working on boats - did my first yacht delivery with my dad, a Chris Craft fresh from the factory when I was in 8th grade (age 13). I passed my Power Squadron Seamanship and Navigation course when I was 12 (early 1970's). I worked in a local shipyard (Bay Shipbuilding - Sturgeon Bay WI) when I first got out of high school. Now I work as a maritime heritage, historic preservation and grants consultant in the great NW! My goal is to get a boat and prep it ultimately for the NW Maritime Center's - R2AK - The Race to Alaska. Aside from making sure the boat is seaworthy and safe to other people's kids and my own - I'll need to work out alternative power when becalmed as no motors are allowed.
SAM
 
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