Well, it appears this Expert Forum has expired without further posts from Russ. I didn't get a response to my query to him so I suspect he's off ill since I had heard from him last week. Anyhow, it's still an important topic for many of us and I'll revisit it in '05. Meanwhile, we have some talented guests with useful subjects scheduled and we're sure you'll find them interesting. BTW, if you have a lead to someone or some firm you think would be willing to come on line and join us in a forum, please e-mail me at rickd@sailboatowners.com Again, sorry we didn't get through this one as deeply as we'd like; I owe you one. Rick D.