Visualization of the debris patch from the Japan tsunami

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KD3PC

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Sep 25, 2008
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boatless rainbow Callao, VA
having worked in the "visualization" field for many years (see SGI, F-18, Ansys, Catia, etc), I have seen my share of not even close models, modeling, and data drift...items designed and tested on the computer, using models - only to have the newly produced prototype - fail, completely....thus the old saying, "back to the drawing board"

If you read the article, they do say that, "colour in the simulation, the block does not represent a physical island of debris."...

so I am not so sure why this is "scary" in any way...kind of like the Gyre of lore....it is not this gargantuan trash field, as much as a globby mess of deterioration, that floats beneath the surface

Models are models, and until the "weather" models can replay the weather of the last few days given the actual data that was recorded...then they are only useful to show that the model needs work.

btw, this link works: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17122155
 
Feb 3, 2009
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Knysna 550 SE Knysna, South Africa
1) I fixed the URL.

2) Re: KD3PC - Why would it be scary to me? Well, having done several trans-Atlantic passages, I would worry about bumping into things (particularly at night) and/or getting entangled in something. If I were passing through this area, I would be concerned. Are you stating that there's nothing to be worried about?
 

KD3PC

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Sep 25, 2008
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boatless rainbow Callao, VA
not bumping in to things requires a lookout, and a great deal of luck...and I would be concerned, and would step up the lookout....however, given the "virtual" nature of this URL siting and the nature of their research...i.e. no one has a "visual" on the patch, I most sincerely doubt the veracity of the danger or scariness.

I have read that hitting sleeping whales happens far more often than hitting partially submerged containers. And having seen quite a few containers, I am not sure there is anything that a sailor can truly do, to mitigate that risk...except lookout, or not go.

whilst there is some danger of hitting something substantial, the majority of the truly huge stuff from Japan has either sunk, become more waterlogged and sunk, or is light enough to float atop the water, and unless you are going much faster than most sailboats - will simply be pushed away by the bow wave.

I would be vigilant and watch my strainers so as to not have them clog and as I said I would watch...but scary??? Not.

What scares me more is shipping and power boats with either no one on the bridge, or the one low man who is there, is impaired or incompetent, and those ships who do not respond to the radios.

Night requires extra vigilance, look out, and more importantly luck...I would rather be lucky than good any day crossing the oceans.
 
Feb 3, 2009
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Knysna 550 SE Knysna, South Africa
You clearly have much better night vision than I do. At night I keep watch for lights from other vessels. Unless you've got a full-ish moon and calm seas, I can't see anything in the water.

You don't know the makeup/density of the debris patch and neither do I. I will agree that "scary" is probably too strong of a word. I would be concerned. Then again, I'm cautious, but it's served me well in my 40,000+ miles.

-- Geoff
 
Dec 2, 1999
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Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Geoff: I am with you. On our passage from Hi to San Deigo there was nothing to see at night. Clouds blocked any real moon light most nights.

Even during the day something were very difficult to see until we were nearly on top of them depending the sea conditions. We spotted a crab trap (assume from Alaska) that was full of styrofoam. We missed it by about 40-50 ft. I would have put a nice scratch in the hull. An old abandon floating nun/bouy (much easier to see) was about 1/4 mile off our starboard side. Then there is the floating garbage pit in the pacific high....

Regardless the debris patch is going to be an issue for the west coast of the US and Mexico for many years to come. Hopefully much of it will finally sink in the 18,000 ft depths of the pacific. Probably not too many living creatures down there.

I just wonder what the radio active levels of this crap will be.
 
Dec 30, 2009
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jeanneau 38 gin fizz sloop Summer- Keyport Yacht Club, Raritan Bay, NJ, Winter Viking Marina Verplanck, NY
Last I heard this debris field was said to be the size of Texas.....Holy crap....literally Red
 
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