I am a novice at sailing and recently purchased a Venture 21, I love the boat but am having a hard time with my rudder system. It looks like the lower blade has been rebuilt over the years by someone. First I have a hard time putting it up or down I have to push it down by hand and lean way out to pull it up. I think its something Im doing wrong. There are two lines attached to it that run between the lower part that swings up and the top. The one line is to hold it down and the other is to raise it. First question is should both lines be tied tight when its down? I think it supposed to kick up if it hits something, but can that happen if it tied tight? The other problem is when its in the up position it is still in the water at a 45* angle to the transom with half the blade still in the water. This dosn,t seem right and is causing me to have a hard time steering with the motor in and out of dock. I not sure of the correct procedure but what Ive been trying to do is motor away from the dock out to deeper water and then put my rudder down and lock the motor in position and use the rudder to steer. But with the rudder half submerged it is very hard to controll it and the motor. Thanks for any advice.
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thisoldspouse
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I have the same problems with the stock rudder on my 77 V222. I tie both lines up tight, if you hit something the line will give and the rudder kicks up. If the launching ramp is too shallow, I wait until I'm in deeper water to put the rudder on. There is a notch on the trailing edge of my rudder, I put my paddle on/in this notch and push the rudder down, then pull on the line to seat the rudder in place. I've seen guards available for your outboard to keep the prop from hitting the rudder, usually only a problem when the rudder is up.
It's a known problem. That's why the Ida rudder looks so good, to bad it is so $$$. Almost as much as I paid for my boat. I'll be watching to see what others have to say.
Stay connected, this is a great site with very knowlegable helpful people.
I have the same problems with the stock rudder on my 77 V222. I tie both lines up tight, if you hit something the line will give and the rudder kicks up. If the launching ramp is too shallow, I wait until I'm in deeper water to put the rudder on. There is a notch on the trailing edge of my rudder, I put my paddle on/in this notch and push the rudder down, then pull on the line to seat the rudder in place. I've seen guards available for your outboard to keep the prop from hitting the rudder, usually only a problem when the rudder is up.
It's a known problem. That's why the Ida rudder looks so good, to bad it is so $$$. Almost as much as I paid for my boat. I'll be watching to see what others have to say.
Stay connected, this is a great site with very knowlegable helpful people.
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novelman
I have a 1971 22' Venture and had the same problems with my stock rudder until it finally snapped off while sailing to Anacapa island off of Ventura California. I tried a simple wooden replacement and was completely unsatisfied. The Idasail rudder seemed like a lot of money until I used it. I now have MUCH LESS weather helm and the boat points higher as well as tacks easier. It's well worth the money and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Duane "Novelman"
Duane "Novelman"
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Keith Nuttle
V-21 Rudder
The trick with the original rudder is the the pivot bolt. The bolt should be tight enough to counteract the buoyancy and the force of the forward motion through the water. When you have the bolt tighten properly the rudder will easily go down by pulling the rope attached to the leading edge and come up easily when pulled with your elbow on the transom and the rope in your hand or about a 16" lever the lever being your forearm.
When sailing I loop the rope around the cleat, only using the jamming action to keep it in place. When done this way if the rudder hits something the rope will pull free allowing the rudder to come up causing no damage.
When the boat is out of the water the rudder is held in the up position by a properly secured rope on the cleat.
I have never had a motor on my V-21. For slight movement of the boat the rudder design works as a sculling oar. For greater movement, the boat is light enough that and standard rowing oar, used as a canoe paddle can move the boat through the water at a couple of mile per hour. (It is a sailboat, if you want to go fast get a jet ski)
The trick with the original rudder is the the pivot bolt. The bolt should be tight enough to counteract the buoyancy and the force of the forward motion through the water. When you have the bolt tighten properly the rudder will easily go down by pulling the rope attached to the leading edge and come up easily when pulled with your elbow on the transom and the rope in your hand or about a 16" lever the lever being your forearm.
When sailing I loop the rope around the cleat, only using the jamming action to keep it in place. When done this way if the rudder hits something the rope will pull free allowing the rudder to come up causing no damage.
When the boat is out of the water the rudder is held in the up position by a properly secured rope on the cleat.
I have never had a motor on my V-21. For slight movement of the boat the rudder design works as a sculling oar. For greater movement, the boat is light enough that and standard rowing oar, used as a canoe paddle can move the boat through the water at a couple of mile per hour. (It is a sailboat, if you want to go fast get a jet ski)
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gabriel
Thanks for the info but?
Thanks for all advice its great to have a place to ask when you dont know. But the question about the rudder when its in the up position, should it still be in the water at a 90* angle to the transom? It dosn't seem right, some of the pictures that Iv,e seen of rudders show it in a up-possition completly out of the water. Mine is still half in the water when its all the way up.
Thanks for all advice its great to have a place to ask when you dont know. But the question about the rudder when its in the up position, should it still be in the water at a 90* angle to the transom? It dosn't seem right, some of the pictures that Iv,e seen of rudders show it in a up-possition completly out of the water. Mine is still half in the water when its all the way up.
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thisoldspouse
Stock Rudder
The quick answer is, yes. The stock rudder is always in the water in both the up and down position. In the up position it is at a 45 to the boat and parrallel to the water surface. When you see a rudder that's sticking all the way up, out of the way, it's a replacement (Ida) or a modification.
The quick answer is, yes. The stock rudder is always in the water in both the up and down position. In the up position it is at a 45 to the boat and parrallel to the water surface. When you see a rudder that's sticking all the way up, out of the way, it's a replacement (Ida) or a modification.
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Breaking wind
yup my mac 25 rudder is always submerged when
it's up, I don't even lower it in really light wind.
it's up, I don't even lower it in really light wind.
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