Vega Trailer For Sale

mocap1 · Sep 27, 2002

I can use the trailer, and will pay $1000 for it, subject to inspection. My phone number is 520 742 6164.

Mort

navydavy12000 · Sep 29, 2002

I originally offered 1000.00. I believe that I was the first person to
respond to your ad. I am interested in purchasing this trailer.
my home number is (301) 638-2975
my office number is (301) 866-5545
david.fuchs@...

mocap1 · Oct 2, 2002

I have a suggestion. There are three people who want the trailer. Why doesn't one of us buy the trailer at whatever price, use it, and sell it to the next person at a lower price? It would be like renting it, with no liability problems. I have only one trip to make.

I don't want to start a bidding war, or cause any hard feelings, but when the trailer was originally offered at $2,000, someone offered $1,000 and I offered $1,200, I never heard back from Emile. I stand by that bid, and in the interests of remaining friends with all the Vegans, I won't increase it.

Mort

pelagicasd · Oct 2, 2002

Emile, One of your messages was in the middle of a bunch of spam which I
blocked. (Oops, You were also blocked) I did email you in regards to the
trailer at your regular address last August but did not get a reply. When
looking at the prospect of moving Lyric back from La Paz I have two options.
I can go 2,000 miles against wind and current or I can go 300 miles, load
her on a trailer and drive. I too should be considered as an interested
party. And the trailer is worth more than $1000 to me. Please email me at
bestvega@...
Walt, Lyric S/V 120

navydavy12000 · Oct 2, 2002

I originally offered $1,000. I think that I was the first person to respond
to this ad.

David

mocap1 · Oct 2, 2002

I don't want to argue about it, so I withdraw my offer, but as a lawyer, let me explain the technicalities. The trailer was offered for sale at $2,000. You offered $1,000. Unless the offer was accepted there was no deal, because your offer was less than the asking price, and was merely a counter-offer rather than an acceptance. I offered $1,200. This was also less than the asking price, and since it was not accepted by Emile, again, there was no deal. The trailer was then offered for sale at $1,000, opening a new negotiation. I agreed to pay the asking price, and was the first one to do. There was therefore an offer and an acceptance, which is required for a contract.

I am explaining all this because Your somewhat curt e-mail gave me the impression that you thought you had some entitlement to purchase the trailer, and were annoyed that other people expressed an interest.

In any event, good luck,

Mort

jimmyvusa · Oct 2, 2002

Mort:
I have been (like others) observing your gentlemanly attempts to work something fair out for all concerned. I know you want to move your Vega to Nova Scotia. Many of us, no doubt, hope you will be able to work something out where all three of you get to benefit from the trailer. If not, perhaps, if you check on line, there are a number of boat trailer dealers.You might get lucky and pick up a used trailer suitable for your move since we are approaching the end of boating season in the NE. In any event, best of luck in your move. I hope sincerely it works out for you. If I owned one I would lend you mine.

"Morton L. Caplan" wrote:I don't want to argue about it, so I withdraw my offer, but as a lawyer, let me explain the technicalities. The trailer was offered for sale at $2,000. You offered $1,000. Unless the offer was accepted there was no deal, because your offer was less than the asking price, and was merely a counter-offer rather than an acceptance. I offered $1,200. This was also less than the asking price, and since it was not accepted by Emile, again, there was no deal. The trailer was then offered for sale at $1,000, opening a new negotiation. I agreed to pay the asking price, and was the first one to do. There was therefore an offer and an acceptance, which is required for a contract.

I am explaining all this because Your somewhat curt e-mail gave me the impression that you thought you had some entitlement to purchase the trailer, and were annoyed that other people expressed an interest.

In any event, good luck,

Mort

cmbtboats · Oct 2, 2002

re trailer:
to anyone located on vancouver island there was an adjustable 6000lbs capacity trailer for a coronado 25 for sale in Nanaimo B.C. The person selling it said he would take 1000.00cdn and it had 4 extra rims but it needed all new tires. the trailer was advertised in the vancouver island buy sell&trade last time I checked about 6 weeks ago.
Brad

navydavy12000 · Oct 3, 2002

While there may have been an offer and an acceptance, there was no time
period agreed to complete this transaction. I to, withdraw my offer.

pelagicasd · Oct 3, 2002

Mort. All in all, I like the idea of one person using it and selling it to
the next. The only problem I see is three major coasts on this continent
plus the great lakes and a lot of miles between them. It would be nice if
there were trailers available for use on all coasts.
Some of us keep our boats in the water year round, some on stands in a
yard and I'm sure there are a few that winter in driveways on their
trailers.
I need a trailer to move from La Paz to northern California. I think the
ideal solution would be trailers for common use in these regions. Expenses
could be born by members of local groups and shouldn't be to outrageous.
Trailers could be leased for a minimal fee plus cost of insurance to the
user. Sailing conditions in my new home port are dreadful in the winter but
I have plenty of room to store the boat on the hard in my backyard. It's
$1500.00 a year in La Paz plus yard fees if I work on her or put new bottom
paint on.
On the other hand however I doubt that there are many other Vegas near me
(300 miles north of San Francisco). Somebody in the Los Angeles area for the
west coast would be ideal for California. Boats in San Diego and San
Francisco as well as LA would have access without to many miles to get to
the trailer. Maybe another one in Pudget Sound.
Emile's trailer sounds like it is well situated for the gulf coast or for
someone to move it to another gulf coast port. It's around 1500 miles
between Galveston and San Diego. I abhor the thought of that kind of drive
to pick up and move a trailer. Just not cost effective when I consider lost
days of work. I too withdraw my interest in this particular trailer although
it sounds like a rather nice one.
If any one on the west coast has or knows of a trailer in good condition
I remain interested. By the way, it would appear that my bestvega@...
isn't recieving mail but I can be reached at my other cts box,
pelagicasd@...
Walt, Lyric S/V 120

stevebirch2002 · Oct 4, 2002

Hi All

In the UK our Vega club has bought a trailer for use by its members. I have
been watching yjis trailer chat for the last couple of weeks and I could
not stop myself adding my two pennysworth..

Why donsent the club get together and buy the trailer?

Just a thought..

Steve birch Vega "Southern Comfort" V1703 UKAt 01:33 04/10/02 +0000, you wrote:

mocap1 · Oct 4, 2002

Why La Paz? I thought your boat was in Puerto Vallarta. Why not pick it up there and trailer it the whole way instead of sailing to La Paz. I believe there is a yard in PV that could haul your boat and put it on a trailer.

Emile's trailer might work out better than you think, for reasons that will become clear later. First, consider sailing the boat from PV to your home port. As I recall the distance from PV to San Diego is about 1,500 miles, almost all of it against the prevailing wind, seas, and current. You would actually have to sail considerably further, maybe 2,200 miles, if you sailed rather than powered. Furthemore, it is not a very interesting trip.

I think that part of the trip would take at least a month, assuming no breakdowns; maybe more. You would then have another 800 or so miles to go up the California coast. Again, against the wind and seas. The winds are light on this coast in the winter, and it would be a slow trip, especially in a Vega. (Forget the anecdotes about how Old Sally did 150 miles in 24 hours off the coast of Wherever. The Vega has a PHRF rating of 240, and I have not been able to sail to the rating in the few times I raced my boat.)

Now think about this. I sort of like over the road driving. I have lost track of the number of times I have driven across the country. I would be willing to go to Galveston, pick up the trailer and bring it to Tucson where I live. Tucson is a more logical place to start a trip to PV than San Diego. In fact, if you started from San Diego, you probably would go by way of Tucson.

You could pick up the trailer in Tucson, drive to PV, load your boat, and trailer it to your homeport. My boat is in Vallejo which is at the north end of San Francisco Bay; probably about 260 miles from where you would finish your trip. You could then drop the trailer in Vallejo, where I would pick it up, load my boat, and drive to Nova Scotia. I would buy the trailer from you when you have finished with it.

I am sure we could accomodate Dave Fuchs somewhere in this process if he has a boat to move. I don't know where he lives, but if it is out West, we could make it work.

I think Steve Burch forgets the relative sizes of England and the U.S. You could drop England (notice I didn't say Brittain) in Texas with room left over for Ireland and the Channel Islands.

Mort

navydavy12000 · Oct 4, 2002

I live in Waldorf,MD

I would be willing to purchase the trailer when you are finished moving
your boats. Please advise.

David Fuchs

floodtide2001 · Oct 4, 2002

Hi Steve,

Good idea, except the distances here are way too great to make the
idea practical. My state, Colorado, is about the same land area as
the whole United Kingdom, but only ranks 8th in size among the 50
states. Plus, you have a high population density, 640 per square
mile, while in the US it's about 80 per square mile.

Bob Mendes

pelagicasd · Oct 4, 2002

Mort, Ken Preston has recently purchased Lyra, the Vega in PV. I believe he
may be down there now getting her ready to go back to Seattle. We met Lyra
in Nuevo Vallarta early in 2000. Her owners left her in PV when they
returned to the states. We crossed back over to La Paz and put Lyric on the
hard.
I like the drive to Tucson part of your proposal as it makes a lot more
sense. I know Ken's planning on trucking or trailering her home on I-5 from
San Diego. How he's getting here is a mystery. Motoring up is the most
direct route but difficult without lots of Jerry cans for fuel. La Paz to
San Diego is around a 1000 miles. Fuel is available in Cabo San Lucas, Bahia
de Magdalena and Bahia de Tortuga (Turtle Bay). Possible that fuel could be
found at Isla Cerrralvos just north of Turtle Bay and it could probably be
brought out at San Quinton. Last major Mexican port is Escondito and from
there a single tank would probably get the boat to San Diego. A one knot
current (averge) runs down the coast so if you do 5 knots through the water
you make 4 knots over the ground. Could be done in a week to ten days with
fuel stops but it would be a very uncomfortable week. The other popular
route is tack out 900 mile out and tack back in. You should hit San Diego or
be able to adjust course to do so. Probably around 18 days figuring on 100
miles a day. From La Paz to San Carlos is much more do able. Can be there in
a week with an easy trip and a few days in some very pleasant anchorages.
To get the boat from San Carlos home means driving from where I work in
San Diego to Phoenix and down a freeway to San Carlos. Phoenix to Tucson in
another day Can be done in a single hard days drive from San Diego. From
there back to San Diego and then on up to the house in Crescent City.
Vallejo is an easy days drive to San Diego and I pass throught the Bay area
every month. When did you want to move the boat? I like the idea but will
have to run it past the "admiral" first.
Walt

P.S. When we met Lyra they had friends on another boat also named Lyric. We
heard Lyric calling on the VHF for them. Although they didn't come back on
that particular call we hailed the other Lyric and eventually contacted
them. Lyic, Lyric, Lyric. This is Lyric, Lyric, Lyric. We are also looking
for Lyra, Lyra, Lyra.
P.P.S. Do we have any folks in Australia monitering this site. There was
another Vega called Lyric in Sydney and I often wonder, is she still there?

mocap1 · Oct 5, 2002

Sounds good to me. The trailer will be on the East Coast when I make my delivery, which should be convenient for you.

Mort

navydavy12000 · Oct 7, 2002

Thanks !

pelagicasd · Oct 11, 2002

Mort, When do you want to move your boat? Walt

navydavy12000 · Oct 12, 2002

I am following your correspondence regarding the trailer and I appreciate
you help.

David