Vega Headsails

Oct 30, 2019
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I wrot this argument for the Facebook Vega list but thought it might
be of interest here.

Benn seeing on
occasion some talk of making a Vega a cutter by adding a a stay
sail.
To start with that will not make her a cutter. The boat itself is
build differently to make a true cutter. The mast needs to be
farther
aft and the keel may need some modification. Still a sloop with a
stay-sail is still a good thing but may be not worth the effort
for
ocean sailing. If I were to make any changes to my nearly perfect
Vega rig for world Voyaging it would be this. I would do away with
my
roller furling Genoa. Then I would add a second head stay, spacing
them about 6 inches apart so they stand side by side. With a
couple
whisker poles you can run downwind or off the wind on a Broad
reach
with the twin sails poled out at the leech. For each sail the top
lift would run back to the cock pit for hoisting from there. At
the
same time there would be a haul down line woven through the sail
hanks to haul each sail down from the cockpit. The downed sail
will
be pulled back along the lifelines withe the sails sheet and left
to
lay there until sea conditions make it convenient to go forward
and
bag the sail at the foot of the head stays so you can beat to
windward with the single jib. If winds lighten the jib can be
replaced with a Genoa as needed. Running down wind in light wind
two
Genoas can be used if you have them. Then it is possible to hoist
the jib and using Genoa and jibe again run with th wind with again
big and small sail poled out. Imagine running thousands of miles
in the trade winds with such a configuration and at the same time
seldom going forward to handle sails. I would have no worry about
the
roller furling getting stick. You would need to sore more sails
but
increased speed under sail would make for shorter passages so less
stores on boar less water. I assume a well planed voyage will
entail more running than beating and that’s the kind of voyage
this
rig excels at. Jib sheets back to tiller provides self steering
with
out a wind vane, though I would likely have one. It does about the
same thing a spinnaker does but can be handled by the
singlehanded. I have used thus rig and it is excellent for single
hander or full
crew. I used this rig on a Yokahama 21 single handing on the
Atlantic and it is absolutely fool proof. Doug




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Apr 12, 2016
102
I like it!! I had always wondered about hanking two jibs/gennys onto the one existing forestay on our Catalina 22, which would accomplish the same thing, except without the ability to drop the sails one at a time. There would also be twice the strain on just one forestay. Wonder why it's never been done?? (except by you of course!)
 

n4lbl

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Oct 7, 2008
307
If I recall correctly the twin headstays twin headsails rig has been well documented in Self-Steering for Sailing Craft by John S Letcher and several of the books by Eric Hiscock. Probably in lots of other places too.Alan
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
Yes at one time there was a lot of ifo around on this set u and I
think it was used a lot on world cruisers. I thik it was a few
years ago I wrote about this on Low cost voyageing yahoo group and
said to space the head stays 3or4 inches apart which was how it was
done on my 21ft boat. Several peo;e thought the hanks might get
entangled. All I can say about that is it never happened on my boat
and if It had I guess I would have pull both sails down to the
point where they had gotten cough and freed them, I don't see this
as a problem but here I said 6 inches being cautious I guess?
The closer they are the smaller and lighter the hardware at the stem
and mast top can be. Back in the early 1960;s this rig was talked
about a lot among blue water cruisers and was highly thought of.
Doug


On 06/28/2016 12:51 AM, n4lbl
alan.schulman@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 

Gazuum

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Oct 23, 2010
67
Pearson P365K Port Angeles
Twin headsails. Think of the extra gear! Another sheet, another
halyard with another pulley top of mast, another headstay with a device
top and bottom to separate them, and another matching jib! And, in most
cases, the jibs have to be flown well forward to reduce roll thus
reducing effective sail area. So instead, how about just tacking downwind! Per Lee Woas's book, SELF STEERING
This maneuver can be better than a dead run. The motion is often
much more comfortable, with less rolling and, because the apparent wind
is greater,
the vessel speed may even increase. In some instances, the extra
distance sailed is more than compensated by the saving of time resulting
from faster sailing.

Also, from his book degrees off true wind Percentage of extra distance sailed 10 1.5%
15 3.5%
20 6.5%
25 10.5%
etc etc
So, sailing 100 miles downwind in two tacks at 20 degrees off true
(340 and 020) means 6.5 mile extra (1.3 hours more at 5kts, given a
little more speed and you're even)
Gordon
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
The purpose of the rig is to keep from having to tack downwind 6000
miles through the roaring forties or three thousand miles Spain to
the windward Islands. Tacking increases the distance you run by a a
quarter or a third. Yes tacking downwind is an option too. Doug


On 06/28/2016 01:29 PM, Gordon
gazuum@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 
Jan 28, 2001
694
We have twin forestays and it was an easy conversion. An aside to this is if one breaks the rig doesn't come down. WaltTo: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comDate: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 17:16:24 -0400Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Vega Headsails









The purpose of the rig is to keep from having to tack downwind 6000
miles through the roaring forties or three thousand miles Spain to
the windward Islands. Tacking increases the distance you run by a a
quarter or a third. Yes tacking downwind is an option too. Doug


On 06/28/2016 01:29 PM, Gordon
gazuum@... [AlbinVega] wrote:
 

Gazuum

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Oct 23, 2010
67
Pearson P365K Port Angeles
  How about a square sail? A couple of clapped out jibs sewn together to make a square, corners tied to a bamboo pole, hoisted by spare jib halyard hooked to center of pole, lower corner sheets run through blocks back to tiller for self steering.Roll up or fold up sail to reef when less is better. Cheap and effective. Remember the square riggers? Beam reach? Pull one corner forward of the other. Okay, I'm ready. Hit me! Gordon
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
I agree with you there is a lot od f thing s a square sail can do
and do well and one of them is go to windward but the problem I see
is that they take a lot of fore deck work, The twin jibes can
mostly be a handled from the cockpit as can a roller furling Jenoa.
I think most who sail the oceans single handed worry at least a
little that they may not be able to get the Genoa down.I think some
one said they use twin Riller furling Genoas. I guess the biggest
problem with them is when They get old and someone replaces the
winding tape with a rope and it jams when rolling up the sail. A
friend of mine owned a ketch and put a junk rigged mast right in the
bow.It did pretty good but after a summers sailing he took it off
and put a headstay and jibe. He went back to a Genoa that could lap
the main. Doug
 

Gazuum

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Oct 23, 2010
67
Pearson P365K Port Angeles
Other options would be 2 jibs hanked on 1 stay (staggered hanks, 2
poles, no way to reef), a roller furler with 2 grooves and both jibs on
the same furler (again 2 poles and associated pole stowage issues), or
tried and true wing and wing. Gordon
 
Feb 13, 2010
528
I don't think there really is any answer to this as there are prose
and cons in all of these combinations so it's just something to
decide on based on what you think will work for you.;

On 07/03/2016 01:28 PM, Gordon
gazuum@... [AlbinVega] wrote: