varnish / sealer

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Nov 26, 2006
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Hunter 31 1987 Fly Creek Marina Fairhope,AL.
just finishing redoing the teak and holly sole in my hunter and have to finsh the wood. I have some cetol that i used to cover the top with the initial coating to darken the wood slightly. I want to seal the bottom of the wood with something to help protect from condensation / moisture. The topside or floor i want something to protect from foot traffic and wear like a poly urethane i think. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance
 

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Warren Milberg

When I had a Catalina 27

it had a long rectangular piece of flooring that covered the bilge. I always seemed to have water in the bilge and it effected the underside of the cover above it. I eventually refinished the entire sole, including the board over the bilge, with clear satin polyurethane and it looked good. I stripped and sanded the underside of the board over the bilge and put on one coat of West System epoxy. That worked well to seal it from moisture from underneath.
 
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Bob Burns=Rascal

Varnishing Teak ?

Say Mr. Chuck ........ with my experience with Teak wood, don't bother trying to varnish it. Because teak wood has oil in it , the varnish will eventually lift and peal off. I didn't listen to this advies, years ago, and varnised some splash rails, and yepper, within two years, they looked like Hell ! Teak sealer ........ yep, but no varnish. Hope this helps ! May You Have Smooth Sailing on Warm Breezes, & Happy Holidays ! Bob Burns=Rascal.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Best sealer for the underside of soles .....

probably an oil based enamel. The advantage of sealing is the plywood wont swell and change dimensions when cold/cool when you do get a lot of condensation under the sole; plus, oil-based enamels are much easier to clean when removing the inevitable mildew that begins to form/grow on the undersides - Id consider to add a 'mildewcide' to the enamel - so you dont wind up with the typical/usual 'boat stink'. For ply you also have to seal the edges; and, since this 'shows', the best is usually what you use to coat the top surface. Its probably really best to 'seal' all the ply edges with solid thin bands of teak glued on with Resorcinol™ (not epoxy) for bombproof edge sealing, resorcinol™ is the 'glue' used in making 'marine' plywood. 'When' (not if) the sole begins to rot from water intrusion, its going to start at the side edges .... water following the 'grain' of the ply. Best sole coating is probably a product called "Ultimate Sole" which appears to be a copolymer of urethane and latex or some 'rubber' .... BEST foot traction especially when the sole is wet plus it seems to have good abrasion resistance (not found with varnish nor cetol, etc.). Just like when varnishing exterior surfaces I think most interior coatings should be applied THICK so that the water vapor permeability into the underlying wood is retarded - to prevent swelling, etc.- one or two coats just wont do the vapor barrier job. Id also avoid most 'topside' coatings such as Cetol, Spar varnish, etc. because they are too 'flexible' and therefore not HARD enough for 'foot traffic' and therefore are easily damaged by granules of sand, etc. that get carried in on shoes, etc. ..... for a sole I'd seek out a HARD BAR-TOP varnish (very difficult to find nowadays as most 'varnishes' are soft/flexible 'spar' varnishes) but the "Ultimate Sole" (my choice) seems to do well versus 'abrasion'.
 
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Dan

The underside probably is not teak

The bottom of the teak and holly sole is probably just some form of pine plywood and the teak/holly is real thin. Varnish should stick to the bottom real well. Thin the first coat 50% with mineral spirits and the second coat to 75% and full strength after that. Polyurethane will also work just fine. Polyurethane has no UV filtering but we hopes there's no UV in the bilges!
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
According to the US Forest Service Wood

Handbook. Parafin is the least moisture permeable followed very closely by epoxy which will block 98 percent of the moisture vapor all of the other coatings fall below 70 percent. My choice for back priming therefore would be epoxy.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Whats the recommended thickness of epoxy?

... although epoxy sealing can be a problem as once the substrate does get wet it will have problems getting 'out'. Thats why wooden boat builders seem to avoid epoxy usage.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
RichH , I am a member of the woodenboat

forum and there is more discussion about epoxies than about wood species.
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
I'll bet thats why

all my exterior teak on my new boat looks like it has leprosy, its internal oils are lifting the finish. Thanks Bob!! I learned the leson at a young age not to try to fiberglass over ceader for the same reason the oils keep it from adhearing.
 
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