Valve on holding tank vent hose

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Dec 23, 2006
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Beneteau 38s5 Jefferson Beach Marina, St. Clair Shores
This is posted also on the general Beneteau "Ask all Beneteau owners" website (including a photo taken as I'm replacing a 90 degree elbow on the vent), but I had a later thought that maybe I should go directly to the expert on MSD matters: On my 1992 Beneteau 38s5 there is an on-off valve on the aft holding tank vent hose. I'm curious as to what it is for. Why would you ever need to close the vent hose???? For example, am I supposed to close it when I have that tank pumped out?
 
Dec 2, 1997
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The vent definitely needs to remain open at all

times. Why the shutoff valve is there: If your boat ever did any serious cruising offshore where weather conditions can sometimes keep decks awash for days, a shutoff valve on vent lines prevents the tank from taking on water through the vents, especially if the tank is forward in the boat and the vent line runs forward. Most blue water owners have the ability to flush directly overboard at seas, so there's no risk of pressurizing the tank while the vent is closed--as long as they remember to open it again when they get into coastal waters again. Shutoffs aren't standard, so yours has to be owner installed by a PO. Unusual to find one on an aft tank, though...ever rarer to find one on a boat on inland waters...unless the location of the vent thru-hull coupled with the amount the boat heels puts the thru-hull underwater for long periods. However, that can usually be solved with a clamshell over it. I doubt if you're gonna spend much time in conditions that would require closing the vent...and besides, since you're on the Great Lakes (ok, not quite ON 'em, but between two of 'em), any previous option your boat may have had to flush overboard has either been removed or is illegal if it hasn't benn. So I'd remove the valve if I were you...and eliminate the risk of it becing closed by someone who doesn't know any better. 'Cuz flushing into a tank with a blocked vent will pressurize the tank, resulting in anything from a geyser when you open the deck fitting to an eruption in the toilet, or even a burst tank...and trying to pump out against a blocked vent is impossible--the pumpout will just pull a vacuum...a particularly strong pumpout can implode a tank.
 
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another vent question

i have a vent between the overboard discharge pump and teh thur hull to empty the holding tank overboard. That vent is a problem as it stinks. i have cleaned it and changed it but its still a problem. Can i put a hose on it and run it outside? do i need t keep a valve in it if i do that. it seems if i dont when i pump the vent would fill with waste too. Ideas? Boats a 37c hunter/
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,924
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I assume you mean a vented loop

There should be an air valve in it...and air valves DO require periodic cleaning and occasional replacement. People do put vent lines on them instead of air valves, but I don't recommend it because the line is so small--only 1/4" ID--that it quickly becomes clogged, turning the vented loop into an UNvented loop that no longer has any ability to break a siphon...and because it eliminates the reason for the line, it becomes "out of sight, out of mine" even faster...so it's never cleaned or even checked. Otoh, the same can be said of air valves...so maybe it's a toss up. My advice: install an air valve in your vented loop, and clean it a couple of times a season.
 
Dec 23, 2006
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Beneteau 38s5 Jefferson Beach Marina, St. Clair Shores
I'll investigate further........

Thanks, Peggy! I've had the boat just a few months. As far as I know, the PO only used it in the Great Lakes, but it does have an overboard discharge valve (although now disabled). Just out of curiosity, I'll check the forward holding tank, too, this weekend when I'm back at the boat, to see if there is a shut-off valve on that vent hose, too.
 
May 6, 2004
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Hunter 37C Seattle
Ed with the 37C, I took my vented loop out

on my 37C, thus getting rid of the two hoses in the portside hanging locker. I have the original holding tank behind the shower seat so everthng goes from the bowl to the tank and no room to have a diverter valve for direct discharge before the tank. Since overboard discharge is only legal a couple times a year based upon where I cruise, the thru hull is always closed. The hose from the tank goes to a Tee and with one branch to deck discharge and the other directly to the overboard pump without the vented loop. Open thru hull, operate pump, close thru hull. Since the pump and thru hull are in the same locker and the pump is activated in the locker ( not remotely) litle chance I will forget to close the thru hull the two times a year it is opened. I also moved the deck discharge so it comes up behind the shower, so there are no hoses at all in the port side hanging locker.
 
May 18, 2004
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Catalina 320 perry lake
my 1996 B 281

also has a shut-off valve in the vent line. It too has an aft holding tank. I know the previous owners did not install it themselves so Beneteau must have thought it a good thing at one time. The valve is stuck in the open position and I haven't seen any good reason to try and free it up.
 
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new dilemma

Sooo now i have decided to take peggys advice and find a new vented loop valve. unlike most that i have seen, mine has a spring in it. I cant see how the darn think works. but it seems the spring keeps the valve open. until a suction from a leaving the valve open pulls it closed?? Any way. cant find one like it anywhere so removing the darn thing is starting to look pretty good. It would free up space in the crowded hanging locker move the smell. and i dont use it often anyway and the valve can be locked closed. Just dont understand why no one around here has ever seen a valve like mine. its is two parts a cover with a flat end that is vented unscrews and exposes a spring device in that is on the stem of a rubber seat that looks like it would close off the hole in the loop. cant seem to find one anywhere even on the net. Help!
 
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Scott

Have not seen you on the net very often, seems our 37c guys have kinda pooped out on us.. no pun inteded.. thanks for the ideas, i may just do that. i have a diverter valve behind the head that allows for overboard or the holding tank, then standard under the seat tank and plumbing to the other side of the boat to a pump, then vent in the locker and back to the thru hull. In really tired of the smell problems i use ko in the tank , that helps and cp to clean, both work well but not enough to keep this from stinking, my bildge is clean so far so we will see. thanks again, Ed Shenk in cruising from lake erie to north carolina. miss him on her too. thanks again for your thoughts
 
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