Upper Shroud Chainplate Failure

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Jan 6, 2010
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PASSING THIS INFO ON:

I received this from Catalina Direct. It was from a sailor that had his chainplate fail while sailing. The article is abit long with explanations of stainless failure caused & effects.

What I would like to point out is the accompanying picture.
Guys, tell me what you think. My take is that there were visual indications of ongoing problems for a long time.

I can't figure it, his account sounds as if he were completely surprised at IT’S failure.
But a pic is worth a thousand words. Click on the attachment below.

Thought I'd pass this on.....

CR




EMAIL FROM CATALINA DIRECT

I received a call from a concerned customer yesterday with a harrowing tale. I asked him to e-mail me the details and include a photograph that I might share with other Catalina sailors. Lessons learned from his experience with his 1988 Catalina 30 could be relevant whether you own a Catalina 22 or a Catalina 36.

harrowing tale:
"Last Sunday we sailed with a reefed main in about 15+ Knot winds when all of a sudden the windward (starboard) chain plate for the upper shroud broke.

We managed to get the sails down and saved the Mast. I ordered new chain plates from Catalina Direct but I am concerned that this might reoccur in future... There is some surface rust on the part but the breakage almost looks like a result of electrolysis. To my knowledge, the boat was never hit by lightning and as you know the mast is grounded via the starboard side upper shroud.

I am attaching a picture. I did not clean the chain plate up so you can see the condition (the port side is ok), Please note how shredded the breakage is. Any comment you have would be appreciated. At this point I don’t know if I should warn the other owners of Catalina 30’ in my club (one was hit by lightning) or is this just an isolated case

Thank you
Cape Coral, Florida"



FROM CATALINA DIRECT Classic crevice corrosion.
The failure of the upper shroud chainplate is a classic case of crevice corrosion. The "crevice" in this case is the small space between the stainless plate and the sealant that was intended to protect the boat from water intrusion.

Platinum, palladium, and gold do not corrode. Every other metal known to man does. Stainless steel becomes rust resistant with the addition of chromium. When chromium in the alloy is exposed to oxygen, a thin layer of chromium oxide forms. This ultra thin oxide layer is what protects the stainless. More chromium in the stainless protects better. This is why Catalina Direct uses higher chromium content type 316 stainless in all of our standing rigging.

But, under the wrong conditions, any stainless steel will corrode. Airborne pollutants as well as chlorides in salt water attack the oxide layer. When stainless steel is kept clean, the oxide layer forms faster than the chlorides can attack it. But, if dirt and pollutants from the air and/or salt is left on the stainless, or if the surface of the stainless is deprived of oxygen, the oxide layer degrades faster than it can re-form. Once it breaks through the oxide layer, the chlorine attacks the metal itself. It quickly begins to damage the integrity of the hardware or fasteners as you can see in the photo.

The upper shroud chainplate can be an ideal environment for crevice corrosion where it passes through the deck. Often the chainplate is attached to a bulkhead and passes through the deck. When loaded and unloaded each time you tack the chainplate moves ever so slightly relative to the deck it is passing through. This small motion breaks down the bond between the sealant and the chainplate. Now, salt water, with it's chloride content, not only enters the crevice between the plate and the sealant, but it is held there in an oxygen starved environment.

Crevice corrosion is also a problem on early Catalinas that used a simple, single eyebolt through the deck for the lower shroud chainplates. There was no provision made to prevent them from rotating in the hole. When adjusting the turnbuckle or, on trailerable boats, stepping or unstepping the mast, it was easy to accidentally rotate the eyebolt. Any slight rotation broke the seal and provided an ideal location for crevice corrosion to take place.

Bad for your deck too!
In addition to rigging degradation, your deck structure is also effected. Every Catalina deck has a marine plywood core to add stiffness to the structure. Water intrusion at any point where hardware penetrates the deck is introducing water into the plywood core. This creates an ideal environment where the spores that cause dry rot can thrive. In just a season or two dry rot can destroy the plywood layer and create a void in the deck structure.

What can you do to prevent crevice corrosion?
1) Wash down your boat thoroughly with fresh water every time you sail even if sailing in fresh water. If you don't sail as often as you would like, make a pact with an adjoining slip renter to hose down the other's boat every time you visit yours. In the photo, the rust at the top of the chainplate, under the turnbuckle is just from contaminates sitting between the toggle and the chainplate. A regular washdowns after each sail will help prevent this.

2) Check chainplates often both on deck and inside the cabin for any sign the seal has been compromised. Be sure to use a flashlight inside the boat to check for the slightest sign of a leak. Is there anything but shiny stainless? Is there the slightest patina of rust on any of the hardware? Is there any indication of water having been on the adjacent wood? You can see in the photo the patina of rust on the top of the horizontal plate. This is a clear indication that the chainplate had been leaking. There is no small leak. Any leak at all is dangerous to your rig and the integrity of your deck!

Is it time for action?
If there is any indication water has gotten through the seal at deck level, then the answer is an emphatic yes! Remove the entire chainplate and check for crevice corrosion that might be hidden within the thickness of the deck. Undetected it could cause the loss of your entire rig. Carefully clean the metal thoroughly. Re-bed both the chainplate and cover plate and you're good for another season. Once crevice corrosion starts it is more difficult to prevent it from continuing. If there is any doubt about the integrity of the part, it's time to replace it.
 

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caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
Glad to hear that your mast stayed up. I often wondered whether the lowers would handle the load.
Thanks for the heads up. I will be checking today.
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Frank,
that wasn't my boat, I just wanted to point out that chainplates don't usually fail without some indication of deterioration beforehand.

But as a safety precaution, check them for telltale signs.

CR
 

DanM

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Mar 28, 2011
155
Catalina 30 Galveston Bay
I got the same advertisement...er... I mean .. email Ron.

Personally, I'd rather have a company be upfront about trying to sell me something, even if it is in my best interest. I'm immediately turned off by something that that is trying to lure me in. But their playground their rules right? :)

That being said... well.. they've got a point. If you haven't checked your chainplates in a decade or so, you should do so. ;-) Heck, I just checked my lifelines and 3 out of four of them snapped off under the turnbuckle from crevice corrosion. Yikes!

I'd also like to know if only the lowers would hold up the mast for a tall rig C30 if you lost an upper...

I replaced mine when I bought the boat so I hope never to know!

Dan.
 
Jan 6, 2010
1,520
Dan,

Here is a story. My boat was a club racer before I bought it. The owner put extra tracks, winches and other rigging on for racing. They added a wooden bowsprit which by design was made to fail. The boat was abused and it took a good 2 years for me to get it in satisfactory shape. Someone said buy a fixer-upper and save some money as you go. Well that was bad advice & I won't go that route again.

However, talk about rigging failure, the swaged bobstay broke twice over a 5-year period. The second time it happened, the bowsprit broke completely loose and having the sails up I was able to round off-wind to keep the stick up. The lowers held it long enough.

And yes, although I lost my forestay, the lowers gave enough support to give me time to make an emergency tie-off at the furling drum to douse sails. I did end up ripping my 155 to shreds in the process (17kt winds). Hated to sacrifice it, but had no choice.

The positive aspect however was that after the second failure I got a fiberglass bowsprit from Catalina, re-glassed & beefed up the whole nose structure. I found a material called Nitronic 50 for the bobstay. It's a mechanical joint (not swaged) solid rod with a 43,000 lb. (only 5/16" dia.) tensile breaking strength. The boat will fold in half before this breaks! The material is also impervious to salt effects.

I also changed all my rigging and lifelines to 316 stainless, no more 304. My lifelines are not pvc coated and look great. So there you have it, my take on rigging & problems. And, I inspect my chainplates top deck and under for problems frequently as now I'm alittle gunshy.

One of my mottos are: "sailing is hours & hours of total relaxation........intermittent with moments of sheer terror".

CR
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,877
Catalina 320 Dana Point
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Someone said buy a fixer-upper and save some money as you go. Well that was bad advice & I won't go that route again.
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, I've been trying to make this point for decades, no one wants to believe it, and most people that have learned this lesson the hard way rarely speak up.
Biggest problem noted on the survey of my 2002 320 was evidence of leaking chainplates. Every 320 I looked at (1997 to 2007) showed some evidence of leakage. Gerry Douglas has been quoted as saying all deck hardware should be rebedded every 8 to 10 years. I've rebedded 4 with Butyl tape and hope to finish last 2 this week, maybe. I've replaced a hatch and they used butyl, but they used some kind of white chaulk for the chainplates. Horrible stuff, hard and dried on top and still wet and sticky way down. Can only do one a day because it takes hours to dig the old crap out with dental picks.
I believe the butyl will last much longer.
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Ted,
You nailed it when you agreed that maybe buying a 'fixer.." is not the way to go. But each to their own I guess.

I did a total topside painting last year. Everything was stripped off the deck, everything. Found alot of side projects/repairs uncovered but expected this.

For rebedding my chainplates, I found Dow Corning 795 which is a construction chaulk for expansion joints. This is supposed to stay pliant and had good UV properties.

I bedded the sh*t out of top and bottom and only tightened it down to about 1/8-3/32" thickness. I cleaned around the fitting and left it for four days to really set up. I also pre-taped around all the chainplates for easy cleanup after.

Then I tightened the plates and a nice thick gasketing set up. I use this for anything thru bolted thru the deck and works well. Why chaulk a fitting and tighten it until all that new chaulk is squezzed out? There goes your gasketing.

CR
 
Jun 8, 2004
2,877
Catalina 320 Dana Point
It just makes me sad that so many people who want to sail spend a lot of money and effort on project boats before giving up after a few years, and some new hopeful ends up with a boat that has broken the hearts of previous owners.
Well, I'm going sailing for a couple days to cheer up.:dance:
 
Dec 11, 2008
172
Catalina 30 Solomons, MD
Man, looking at the chainplate it should have been examined long ago. That failure is due to neglect.

Incidentally, the rig come down on my boat in 1987 when the aft lower pulled thru the deck & then the forward lower parted (I was not on board, nor did I own the boat yet..as relayed by the P.O.) I would not count on the lowers holding the rig up in any type of breeze..it is by sheer luck (or stupidity) that it stayed up.

Last winter, I replaced all the standing rigging and bought the CD lower chainplate reinforcement kit and installled most of it last year. Still need to add a couple of the angle pieces on the forward cabin bulkhead & the trim. This kit seems pretty nice.
 
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