Unknown Part and function

[Jimc91]

Merry. Christmas to all.

I recently acquired a Hake Slipper 17. Well preserved and rigged as fractional sloop with jib and mainsail.

while cleaning out the boat for winter I found a metal rod part lying in the bilge next to the fixed keel, see photo.

I can not see a location where this might attach or what function it serves if any?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[rgranger]

My guess…That was left in the boat two owners ago. The last PO couldn’t figure it out so he left there to torture you

 

[WayneH]

Here's my three WAGs.
One: it's the paper towel holder.
Two: it's the toilet paper holder.
Three: it's an old latch for the outboard lifting bracket.

A tape measure will probably cross two of those off the list.

 

[Jimc91]

Sorry I forgot to mention the size but it is definitely too long for paper product. From memory I would say 16” in length.
Thanks for suggestions

New question.
This vessel never had a stern back stay for mast but does have a forestay and two shroud lines (upper and lower) per side, slightly aft of mast, which is deck mounted and not keel mounted.

Was this unusual rigging for the Hake boats?

 

[garymalmgren]

Too long for a toilet paper holder.
Must be a kitchen paper towel holder then.

There is the odd chance that I am wrong, of course.
It is not stainless and could very easily have nothing to do with the boat.

Anyway Jim congratulations on the boat.
it looks lovely.

gary

 

[justsomeguy]

what function it serves if any?

Recycling.

 

[DougM]

In response to your second question…
Many smaller sailboats did not have backstays. If the spreaders are swept back and the chain plates are aft of the mast step, the 3 point attachment of the shrouds and the forestay is enough to support the mast and carry the load of the sails.

 

[RoyS]

Discard it and the next day you will need it.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

Skipper 17 was built by Starboard Yachts back in the 80’s. I bought one of their boats as a dealer but cannot remember which one. Per sailboat data a backstay in the picture is shown but looking at another show the shrouds being led aft without a backstay. Suggest you take a photo of the entire transom with attention to the middle backside of transom to see if there is any hardware there

 

[PaulK]

SLIPPER 17 - sailboatdata

Also available with flush deck. Starboard Yacht Company was taken over by Hake Yachts.

sailboatdata.com

Jimc's photo also looks like whatever is holding up the boom has been wrapped around the mast strangely. It might be better to use the main halyard or a boom crutch to hold up the boom at rest.

 

[LeeandRick]

Skipper 17 was built by Starboard Yachts back in the 80’s. I bought one of their boats as a dealer but cannot remember which one. Per sailboat data a backstay in the picture is shown but looking at another show the shrouds being led aft without a backstay. Suggest you take a photo of the entire transom with attention to the middle backside of transom to see if there is any hardware there

Slipper 17 There's an L in the name. I need to get some new readers also

 

[LeeandRick]

Paper towel holder. I've got one in my garage but not quite as rusty.

 

[Jimc91]

Skipper 17 was built by Starboard Yachts back in the 80’s. I bought one of their boats as a dealer but cannot remember which one. Per sailboat data a backstay in the picture is shown but looking at another show the shrouds being led aft without a backstay. Suggest you take a photo of the entire transom with attention to the middle backside of transom to see if there is any hardware there

My research showed that this was designed by Mr Hake and manufactured sold by different companies all owned by Hake Yachts at one time or another.

I have inspected the transom and there is no evidence of a backstay mount. Only visible mounts on transom are; rear light, swim ladder, FRP rudder, and 4HP Mariner motor mount.

As stated the upper and lower shroud lines are just slightly aft of mast mount.
This is a fixed keel and this part was found lying in bilge. Photo was at previous owners dock, since my acquisition the mainsail and boom were removed for winter. The roller jib will be replaced for next season.

Cabin is Spartan but fairly roomy with the deck mounted mast support needing some varnish. Dining table and support is missing. Wiring and fuse panel will need work next year.
There is a textured pebbled surface on deck which is almost as slick as the smooth surfaces and is not flat but crowned to provide headroom for cabin area.

 

[LeeandRick]

Over door paper towel holder.

https://www.amazon.com/Home-Basics-Nickel-PH01916-Multicolored/dp/B00QUA4OCY/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=over+cabinet+paper+towel+holder&qid=1640617702&sr=8-3

@Crazy Dave Condon was correct on the original builder Starboard Yachts (of the Slipper not Skipper) which was started by Nick Hake in 1979.

Early forerunner of the Seaward Fox - Cruising Sailboats Reference

16' 6 17' 4 14' 10 1' 7 2' 7 25' 0 Min. max. draft Bridge clearance Power B D ratio 16' 6 17' 4 14' 10 1' 7 2' 7 25' 0 Years produced Sail area Fuel tankage

www.boatbuilding.xyz

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

Oops on Skipper 17 but the Slipper 17 was built by Hake when he built boats under the Starboard name. Yes there are other later companies. I remember seeing a backstay on one once which is the reason I brought that up. It helps when photos are posted as many times it confirms what I suspect. You have no idea of the knowledge, experience and respect from sailboat manufacturers that I have. I simply try to help fellow sailors but grow weary when a simple request is made as I saw something previously just making sure you are safe from a mast falling down

 

[LeeandRick]

Here you go @Crazy Dave Condon, a picture with backstay. We used to put backstays on fractional rigs to run masthead spinnakers.

Slipper 17 sailboat for sale

Slipper 17, 1984, Durango, Colorado

www.sailingtexas.com

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

First Sailing Texas is an excellent on line broker whom I have recommended. It is best to identify correctly the poster’s boat which he acquired to be sure which is why I specified his Slipper 17. We do not know what has been added to the boat but Sailboat Data shows a backstay plus the one I saw had a backstay.
I am not going to call Nick Hake on this. It may have been a fractional rig with no back stay but can understand an added backstay for flying a spinnaker and or flag halyard. I use to be an investigator which before giving suggestions I like to have all the information first

 

[WayneH]

You said the dining table and support are missing. Is this possibly the hull side support for the dining table?

I've seen similar things in RVs.

 

[Benny17441]

It's just a piece of metal, likely a piece of something that no longer is, but to a tinkerer could be free material waiting for an idea.

 

[Jimc91]

You said the dining table and support are missing. Is this possibly the hull side support for the dining table?

I've seen similar things in RVs.

Ding table No, there is a laminated 2x4 board on a diagonal, not vertical, that runs from underside of deck to the hull. The mast is deck mounted

In response to your second question…
Many smaller sailboats did not have backstays. If the spreaders are swept back and the chain plates are aft of the mast step, the 3 point attachment of the shrouds and the forestay is enough to support the mast and carry the load of the sails.

Update:
I spoke to first owner and this craft never had a backstay, just the four side stays, two per side and slightly aft of mast and the front stay and a CDI roller furler jib.

The “unknown” metal rod was added later by another owner so the part is still not currently identified, but paper holder may be the the answer. I was concerned it was part of structure around the fixed keel, no dagger on this one.

Rudder and tiller extension are relatively new and most wood trim is in very good shape. Since we are in Midwest I will cover the cockpit. The mainsail is in very good condition and boom have been removed for winter. The jib is pretty much toast and will be replaced next spring.