Under the ClamShell or Sea Hood of Cherubini Hunter 36

Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
I have been participating on and monitoring the Cherubini forum since 2007. I don't recall seeing much (if anything) about removing the Cherubini Hunter 36 clamshell (or "Sea Hood") cover that is above the sliding hatch.

I did remove mine last week. I thought to describe ...

Firstly before you consider doing any of the steps below I should recount that after I took off the clamshell, I discovered that on my boat at least I am able to remove the sliding hatch without first removing the clamshell. Screwed on the bottom side of the forward end of the clear/smoked plexiglass sliding hatch is a piece of teak railing. The deck molding has a corresponding upward extrusion which is what stops the sliding hatch from going past the fully closed position. From inside the boat with the hatch closed, if one pushes up hard on the forward side of the sliding hatch, the teak stop rail will just clear the corresponding deck extrusion. This might take some effort. But once the teak rail is over the deck stop, the hatch can slide out and be removed completely for inspection/repair. Once removed one can unscrew the side teak rails to use again if new plexiglass is desired. Or if everything is OK but a leak between the plexiglass and teak side rails is suspected, then remove the rails and apply caulk. Then reinstall the rails.

Anyway now for how I removed the clamshell and what I found underneath:

1) Regarding the FRP molded deck shape underneath the clamshell. It is gelcoat surfaced FRP with no joints. I saw no joints or gaps that can cause leaks or that might be in need of reseal. Any water that may make its way past the caulked joint (that is all away along the perimeter of the clamshell) will just gravitate aft an flow out over the cockpit bulkhead.

2) Nothwithstanding 1) above:

a) The holes for the screws that secure the clamshell to the deck I suppose could allow water leakage onto the top surface of the interior liner. If this is suspected, just remove the screws put in new caulk and put the screw back in.

b) At the hard bends in the deck mold, I did find some visible voids between the gelcoat surface and the underlying FRP layup. This I have read the does happen on production boats because after the wax then gelcoat is sprayed into the mold, at the locations with tight bends and angles, the next layer of resin and fiberglass cloth sometimes can't flow fully around the angle. Many years later when the gelcoat ages/cracks/is damaged, these gaps/voids become exposed. Notwithstanding this, between the clamshell caulk and sealant and that water could at the most collect in the small void, a leak from this layup "flaw" is unlikely.

3) I don't think that my clamshell had ever been removed by PO's. The original caulk/sealant was still in great shape. Adhering to both the clamshell and deckmolding surfaces and still very flexible.

4) To remove the clamshell:

a) Unscrew and remove the port and starboard end-stop pieces onto which the outboard blocks are attached. (Good luck -- mine were frozen solid due to galvanic corrossion between Al and SS.)

b) Remove the three bolts on each port and starboard sides of the traveler rail that screw into the deck molding. Note it is not necessary to remove any of the bolts that connect the rail to the clamshell.

c) With a razor knife, sever the caulk joint between the clamshell and the deck.

d) With a pry-bar, and with a piece of wood underneath it to protect the deck and to add leverage, carefully separate the clamshell from the deck.

5) Re-installation is essentially the reverse of the above. I found that the original caulking was still pliable and still firmly attached to the deck molding into which the clamshell is recessed. So I just layed a layer of new sealant over. Then put the clamshell back into positions. Resecured with the screws. Then a new bead of caulk/sealant is necessary for cosmetic appearance and to minimize any puddling of water along the surface of the seam.

6) Of course adequately bed caulk (or I suppose Maine Sail's butyl tape) around the bolts that secure the traveler rail into the deck and also for the end stop pieces.

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tmjb

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Mar 13, 2012
222
Hunter 36C Glen Cove
Thanks so much for this. Very helpful.

I wasn't up for complete removal yesterday due to the weather here in the NE. However, I figured I could try removing the end stop and sliding the hatch out to a) replace one missing screw between the translucent hatch cover and the rails, and b) take a better look/clean out under the clamshell.

I was able to remove the hatch as your described, no problem, and what I saw underneath the clamshell corresponded with what you described. I do have a couple of questions though:

Re the traveller end stops: What stainless steel are you referring to them being corroded into? Is this embedded in the cabin top (I think I may have read this in one of your other posts re other hardware attachments. If so, this brings up another question I have been wanting to ask: How are the winches on the cabin top fastened? Are they also screwed into an embedded plate? ( I want to remove my winches for service). How did you manage to unfreeze the screws?

Re the traveller attachment to the clamshell: a) I wonder why there is one as it seems to me it doesn't add much due to the construction and attachment of the clamshell and b) are the bolts doing so on yours long? Mine are way long and appear to prevent the hatch from sliding all the way forward.

Looking forward to hearing more. Thanks again.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
Hello tmjb:


Re the traveller end stops: What stainless steel are you referring to them being corroded into? In this case, hard to say exactly. I think the end stop fittings are big chunks of extruded aluminum. The SS bolts have a long shank going through them. Galvanic corrosion is at this interface I think. But also we might have an aluminum plate imbedded into the fiberglass under the gelcoat. I first tried removing these bolts when I bought my boat in 2007. Didn't succeed at the time despite PB Blaster, an impact screw-driver, and a Phillips bit inserted in a socket wrench so as to get more leverage. But over the years, I would occasionally drip some PB Blaster on the heads. Maybe that enabled me to finally do it.

How are the winches on the cabin top fastened? Are they also screwed into an embedded plate? ( I want to remove my winches for service). How did you manage to unfreeze the screws? Yes definitely an aluminum plate under both the port and starboard raised pads on the cabin top right next to the companionway hatch. Over the years, I have removed all of the original fittings (with the exception of the starboard cabin top winch) including the port side cabin top winch which I needed to reposition for an improved (for me at least) mainsheet control arrangement. I don't recall a major issue with the screws. Maybe because the original sealant prevented water to seep into the SS vs. Al interface. But as above, I used a phillips bit that was the correct size and I believe I also used a socket set for better leverage than from just a standard screwdriver.

Re the traveller attachment to the clamshell: a) I wonder why there is one as it seems to me it doesn't add much due to the construction and attachment of the clamshell and b) are the bolts doing so on yours long? Mine are way long and appear to prevent the hatch from sliding all the way forward. a) Yes, my thought also. But the caulk/adhesive sealing the clamshell to the corresponding deck extrusion all away along the say 3-4 ft stretch I suppose does contribute to the traveler rail support to some degree. Hunter must have had their reasons to go the extra step. b) I also did a bit of double take about the longer than necessary bolts. But I am pretty sure that the sliding hatch when fully open does not bang into them. When I had my sliding hatch exposed, I checked to see if the long bolts had caused impressions/wear on the forward end which would be expected if the hatch had been banging in to them for 35 years. No marks. The piece of teak that is screwed along the underside of the cockpit end of the plexiglass I think stops out against the raised deck extrusion before the hatch reaches the bolts.

( I want to remove my winches for service). Do you have the original Barient winches? If you are happy with their location and they still work (other than maybe in need of dealing with years of built up and hardened grease and lube), I believe all parts that are inside the winches can be dismantled without the need to first remove the entire winch from the boat. Do you have the owners manuals with the parts diagrams for your winches? If not check this link. http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/indexes/winches.htm
 

tmjb

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Mar 13, 2012
222
Hunter 36C Glen Cove
Many thanks again. This is invaluable information.

I'll have to check the leading edge of my hatch for marks too.
 
Jun 21, 2007
2,117
Hunter Cherubini 36_80-82 Sausalito / San Francisco Bay
tmjb:

Since you brought up and I don't really know your experience history, just another thought about winch servicing.

Do your own on-line search. Lots of great how-to info on SBO and elsewhere.

But in particular (that is if you haven't winch serviced before), read what you find for tips to ensure that parts don't have a chance in "H" ending up over the side!
 

tmjb

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Mar 13, 2012
222
Hunter 36C Glen Cove
Thanks for the heads up. I have stripped and lubricated some Barient winches before but consider myself a novice. Previously I removed them from the boat to avoid loosing parts. I'll do some research as you suggest for easier ways of addressing this issue.