Turnbuckle protection

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Dec 10, 2009
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Catalina Mark 11 Bowen Island
I would like to ensure protection of the turnbuckles on our Catalina 30, 1988. Presently they are wrapped in black electrical tape that is starting to unravel. I have one under a metal prorector but have been unble to get anymore of these. I have ordered some white protectors ( I am guessing they are made of plastic). Also I did note a small amt of rust on one of the turnbuckles. How should this be treated.
Many Thanks for any replys,
Faith J Forster
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I would like to ensure protection of the turnbuckles on our Catalina 30.....Faith J Forster
What are you trying to protect them from? Like stu mentioned.... leave them uncovered.... and rinse them with fresh water on a regular basis.

If you see turnbuckles taped, it is usually to protect the sails, lines and crew from getting scratched by the cotter pins. If that's your desire, use rigging tape... the two sided kind that sticks to itself, not the hardware... it will not leave residue when removed.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
I use white rigging tape, for the above listed reasons. Cotter pins can tear sails, & flesh. The older plastic white boots can hide corrosion & trap moisture, contributing to more corrosion. But I reckon that rigging tape will also trap some moisture. I leave a gap at the bottom of the tape to allow the moisture to escape. Ps. Original Catalina cotter pins are crap. Replace them if suspect. I had one break on the forestay of my previous C 25 & nearly dismasted the boat. I headed down wind fast when I saw my roller furling drum start to swing over the side of the boat. Made my heart skip a beat!
 
Dec 10, 2009
25
Catalina Mark 11 Bowen Island
Thank-you for your advice. I removed all the existing tape and the turnbuckles and cotter pins appear to be in good shape. I will try the white rigging tape as you suggested.
Thanks again.
 

Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
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Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
I used to use rigging tape but changed from cotter pins to rings and now use nothing.
 
Dec 11, 2010
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catalina 27 Chicago
At least for the clevis pins, cotter pins are a safety item. In the event of a demasting they are ment to be pulled out fast by grasping with pliers before the loose mast can hole the boat! That is why you are only suppose to bend them 25deg. For the turnbuckles they can be bent so as to tuck the ends into the body of the turnbuckle. Not for nothing but, I've used pins for years, without any kind of covering, without ever snagging anything (except maybe a spring line once). It's all in proper orientation, trimming, and frequent inspection.
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Cotter pins can tear sails, & flesh.
Which is why this solution, which has served me well for about 25,000 miles, is the answer. Despite being from Brian Toss, one of the world's great riggers, I have never seen it on any boat but mine. I've had boat yard riggers slap themselves on the head when they see it and say, "Why didn't I think of that?"



Go to a welding supply outfit and buy a bundle of 316 welding rod. It will cost you 20-30 bucks for a lifetime supply. Bend it into a "[" shape, insert, and bend the ends in. It can also be done with the NavTec turnbuckles that have the threaded part in the middle.

I've never had a hint of trouble or snags with this arrangement.

While we are at it, this is the proper way to do cotter pins, straight (in my case) from the mouth of the great Rod Stephens:



Cut the cotter pins short and round and smooth the ends with a fine file or sandpaper. You'll have to start splitting them with a knife but a typical rigging knife does this easily. Bend just enough, Rod used to have a little wooden wedge he carried around to be sure the angle was exactly right. Mine may be bent a hair too much.

The idea is to not bend the pin so much that the character of the metal is changed in the bend. That will promote crevice corrosion that may lead to it breaking and falling out.

I've never had a snag or bloody toe with this arrangement. No tape on my boat anywhere.

BTW I think it was at this event, committee meeting for the Corwith Cramer design, that Rod (second from right) talked about this. I'm third from left. Oh yes, that's Irving Johnson in the rear middle with the fellow on the right of him looking at him. Drayton Cochran, former owner of the Westward, where the photo was taken, is just in front of him.


 
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Jan 27, 2008
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ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
Great ideas Roger thanks for sharing. Another method I have been using it to use lockwire (or seizing wire) and wrap it through the hole then around the turnbuckle body. A few wraps and then tuck the ends inside the turnbuckle so it won't snag sails. Very easy to remove, just snip it with cutters.
 
May 5, 2008
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Catalina 27 Harwich Port (Wychmere Har)
Which is why this solution, which has served me well for about 25,000 miles, is the answer. Despite being from Brian Toss, one of the world's great riggers, I have never seen it on any boat but mine. I've had boat yard riggers slap themselves on the head when they see it and say, "Why didn't I think of that?"

Go to a welding supply outfit and buy a bundle of 316 welding rod.

Roger, Is this the right stuff? AWS Classification ER316L, Diameter:1/16", Length: 36". Is it a TIG rod and what does the "ER" and the "L" mean for this non-welding application? High or low Silica... Or just any 316 rod OK?

Tim
 
May 27, 2004
2,055
Hunter 30_74-83 Ponce Inlet FL
Yes, Please elaborate so we don't look foolish with the welding supplier! :redface:
Thanks
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
or is just any 316 rod OK?
Any S.S. rod that will fit through the holes will work. 316 will just have less tendency to rust.

A someone pointed out, if you have replaced a push / pull control cable, you can pull the inner wire out of the old one and use that.
 
May 27, 2012
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Oday 222 Beaver Lake, Arkansas
So the white protectors aren't suggested anymore? If you think they can lead to corrosion by holding moisture, what if they had some breather holes in them?
 
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