Tucson sailing Club

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May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Last week I conducted a short version of a 3 hour sail trim seminar. The short time allotted (30 minutes with a 15 minute Q&A) did not allow me to go into a lot of detail but I was able to provide the club members with a basic understanding of draft depth, draft position, twist and angle of attack. If you don’t understand those 4 elements, sail trim will never make any sense to you. The 45 minutes turned into an hour and one half so I guess they liked the presentation.

I wish the club had published the presentation – I was almost bumped by a mate presenting the subject of how to buy a boat in Mexico. In any event I had a good time. Hopefully, this will lead to presentations to two clubs in Phoenix but I have to see what happens.

Q&A’s are always interesting as I never know what questions I’m going to be asked. Sometimes zero questions are asked but I have a set of questions they should be asking and I start with that, which generally opens the flood gates.

Over on the Catalina site I noticed a question on weather helm and I always seem to get that question. Here’s how I answer it. First of all it is like asking “I’ve got a bite mark on my arm. Can you help me?”. A bite from what – a rattlesnake or a no see um? In other words, there is no quick answer to this problem. You would have to start from scratch and know each setting he has for the main and jib for the point of sail and wind condition he is sailing in. If you don’t know how he is set up you’re (Stu/Alan!!) starting in the middle of the situation. When you get these type of questions from your dock neighbors or sailing buddies always got back to questioning their basic settings as that is where the problem lies – one or two settings are off. I then go on to add that if your sail trim controls for the main and jib are set up properly for the point of sail and wind conditions you are sailing in you will experience little or no weather helm. The skipper then asked me how he was supposed to know these settings – I sold him a SAIL TRIM CHART. I then asked him if he had a complete understanding of draft depth, draft position, twist and angle of attack and if he knew how each sail trim control for the main and jib worked with those 4 elements. He said he wasn’t sure so I sold him THE SAIL TRIM USERS GUIDE.

Would you be happy with my answer??

If you were sitting in one of my seminars what sail trim questions would you ask?

 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Hey Don
"If you don’t know how he is set up you’re (Stu/Alan!!) starting in the middle of the situation."
I'm not quite sure here what the poke :poke:is for ?? :D Do you mean to imply that Stu and I don't know?? :confused:
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,354
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Gee, Alan, I took it as a complement, even though I still don't understand it!:)

It was the spelling of "you're"...thanks, Don.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Nope, I was just showing that my spelling is getting better!! At first I thought I'd just stop using that word and find another way to say it but I practiced and now I'm more comfortable with it.

I don't know if you watch the TV show CASTLE but last week a message was written on a the head of a dead body and one word used was YOUR and Castle commented on the poor spelling. He said the correct spelling was YOU'RE. In fact, he mentioned it a couple of times during the show as they thought a dunderhead had written on the body and that was the perp they were looking for.
 

JIM B

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Jun 27, 2006
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Catalina 30 MKII ROOSEVELT AZ
Tucson Sail Club

Don,
Your talk was good, informative and well recieved. There was not enough time alloted to do it justice. I have spent countless hours reading and contemplating your book and charts. Unfortunatly you would not spend the entire night at a college bar in the seedy part of Tucson on a week night educating all of us. For my purposes you did a good job explaining the desirable depth of draft.

I was happy with all your(sp?) answers, just wish you were sailing with me. Kind of the difference between seeing and reading about it.

Thanks for taking the time to help us all. Mrs Guillette is super!
 
May 20, 2004
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C&C 26 Ghost Lake, Alberta
"Seeing and Reading About It!"

I've been sailing off and on for a lot of years.
I've read a lot of the books (...and own most of them)
I understood it (sail trim) in my mind but never was quite able to put it all together out on the water in a practical sense. Sure I was a reasonable sailor but I always knew that there were boats out there that were passing me and shouldn't be!

A few years ago I took an advanced sail trim course out of Bellingham, Washington. Best sailing course I ever took - What a revelation!
In a weekend I got it totally. I now understand it and can put it together practically. If the boat's not going "right", I can work it out and make the right adjustments.

I've now embraced the "Dark Side"!
Since then I've got new sails (best money I've ever spent - totally different boat); rearranged the deck; new self tailers; I'm about to change the traveller/mainsheet; etc. etc..
I've always enjoyed sailing but now I get even more out of it:
- I have a pride in what I know and can put into practice.
- I'm constantly tweeking this line and that. I'm obsessed with that extra 0.2 of a knot.
- I have a lot more confidence out on the water.
- Other sailors are starting to regard me as a good sailor and have begun to ask advice.
- And best of all - not many boats pass me now!!!
sam :)
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Re: "Seeing and Reading About It!"

Great for you Sam!!!! Sounds like you REALLY have come over to the DARK SIDE!! :D

Many skippers just don't realize exactly what you are talking about. But once you're (sp:)) in the club, you're in for life!
 
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