Transitioning from a dock to a mooring :(

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Tim

Hello All! I've just received the disturbing news that as of next season I will be losing the dock that I have been renting for years. Dock space is VERY limited in my area and I think I will be moving to a mooring next spring. Other than weekends on the hook, I've become spoiled by shorepower, battery chargers etc. I'm hoping some of you that use moorings exclusively can share some wisdom that may make the transition an easy one. Thanks, Tim 1989 Hunter 30G Seadog
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
I am in a slip but...

I would think that solar panels are in your future as well as a generator such as the Honda EU2000. You can be on the mooring and have your AC too. I would think that a good dink with a reliable outboard is also essential. Sorry to hear about your forced move.
 

Grizz

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Jan 13, 2006
179
Hunter 28.5 Park Ridge, IL
Life on a can (Part I)

4th summer on a can in Monroe Harbor, Chicago IL, where dock space is limited and may require a 2nd mortgage (not really, but close). Life on a can requires planning, management of both resources and energy (a 5W solar panel has kept the batteries charged to date, but with only the bilge pump powered up between trips). It stinks to realize you've forgotten that one critical item once you're on the boat. Keeping lists helps a lot. That said, there are advantages: no adjusting dock/spring lines when the wind clocks and starts howling @ 2 AM, no dock-induced rub rash and you won't need reverse to weigh anchor, just throw off the lines and head out upwind. 'Catching the can' on your return is almost as easy, even single handed: slow entry, head-to-wind on approach, neutral-a bit of reverse thrust-neutral and catch the pendant. Done. AC, showers, full size heads and those dock-side kibbutz sessions will be missed, but aren't vital. Having good neighbors helps, a lot. Just like on a dock. So much for my $.02. Take care.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
I love my mooring

No dock scars, no annoying neighbors, more secure in bad weather, my zincs don't get eaten up by stray dock power. I have a launch that takes me out any time I want. I went cruising for 2 weeks this year and did not use shore power once. You will have to get a little better at battery management but it is not hard. It is also a lot cheaper here for a mooring than a slip. Tim R.
 

BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,096
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
mooring

Hello, I have had a boat on a mooring since 2004. I am very happy with a mooring. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the list for a slip, but the wait is around 10 years! Anyway, look at the positives of a mooring: Cost - should be significantly less than a slip Ease of getting on / off - it's very easy to raise the sail and leave the mooring. No worries about pilings, fairways, etc. It's even easier to get back to the mooring without worrying about cross winds, stopping the boat, etc. Peace and quiet - no loud neighbors Safety - I believe your boat is safer from vandals and thieves on a mooring Since my boat is on a mooring I don't have shore power. This means that powered refrigerators and air conditioners are out. Since I use my boat mostly for day sailing this means I bring a cooler on board most times. I use my boat often enough so that the batteries stay charged from engine power. How will you get from the shore to the boat? If you don't have a launch service, you will need a good dingy. My boat is only a few hundred yards off the beach, so I just row. This way I don't need to worry about a motor, gas, etc. If your boat doesn't have a swim platform invest in a good set of boarding steps or some other way to get from the dingy to the boat. Make sure your dingy is big enough to carry your gear in one trip. A stable dingy is a real benefit. Good luck, Barry
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
sailboat...

belongs on a mooring. When the weather gets bad here... the yard brings whatever boats that are in slips out to the empty moorings. No noisey neighbors; barking dogs; and all the things you can't do on the dock. The big issue will be battery management. Nothing like walking around in the cabin with a head-lamp strapped to your noodle. Make sure you close all seacocks when you leave the boat unattended... as there will be no one around checking on things. Put a chafe guard on your mooring pennant and hoist up a radar deflector. Get a hand held GPS so you can find your boat. If a slip was $1,000 and a mooring $3,000... I would opt for the mooring every time. You will figure it out. Just think how small your carbon footprint will be out there!
 

Taylor

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Feb 9, 2006
113
Warwick Cardinal 46 Seattle, WA
To buoy or not to buoy

Sorry, I could not resist the subject line. The #1 problem (for me) with a mooring is worry. My mooring is two hours away from home, and no one is really watching the boat full time, so I worry. My kids don't understand when I see her again and say 'thank god she's still here.'. So two things to consider to help with that: First - get a honking big anchor. My neighbor has a McGregor 65 on 3000 lbs of concrete, and it dragged. I have a Helix mooring ( www.helixmooringsystems.com ) - find a local installer and spend the money. Twenty thousand pounds pullout eases my mind during storms. $2500 installed for my 46' boat. I highly recommend these guys. Second - consider heavy duty u-bolt or eyebolt so you can attach the boat to the mooring without running lines up and over onto the deck. This is a much cleaner system that will help with chafe. And make sure the parts you use actually have a rated strength, not some of the chinese stuff that is not tested. That goes for the shackle too. I run the secondary line up to the cleats, but it is a foot longer so its just in case the first one parts. So now you are out on the mooring, and no fenders are rubbing the wax off the side of your hull. Now what? Well, you want to get out there every few weeks to start the engine, but that does not really keep the batteries up. A solar charger and controller are a must. You also need to think about how you are going to get bigger stuff on and off the boat. A dingy is fine, until you have to haul a couple of 8D's off the boat. I have a 17' Whaler to help with the bigger stuff. Of course, I had that already. Also - washing the boat is hard - now water and nowhere to plug in a pressure washer. Power tools are out too, you need to use battery powered, so no buffers, no sanders, nothing like that. Unless you have a genset. You won't be able to run fans or brooder heaters for dampness, so mildew my be more of a problem. Finally, it is really hard to do anything to the topsides from a dinghy. Even a whaler on a calm day, the sailboat always seems to be on the off beat, going up when the whaler is going down. Oh, and then there is the part where you go out on the boat to do something and forget some crucial part. Now you have to get back in the dink and row all the way back in, get the part and go back out. Lather rinse and repeat. I use a family radio and use my son to shuttle out parts and tools by kayak. Then there was the time I dropped the kayak painter as I got aboard and he had to come out by spare kayak and retrieve my kayak. There's no end of fun. So yeah - its cheaper and it has some advantages, but it also has some disadvantages. I worked around some of this last year by coming into a marina for April-June and doing my waxing and major bits of refitting there, going back on the buoy for the summer and fall. BTW - I'm in the Pacific Northwest so our boats stay in the water full time.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,129
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Lots of good and fun input here

One thing to add to the suggestions about batteries and keeping them up: the largest battery bank is going to be the best for you, fridge or not. Consider adding at least another Group 31 if your bank is relatively new. If not, when it comes to replacement, consider more amp hours, golf carts or however you choose to do it. As far as energy, consider trawler lamps in lieu of electrical, or at least new LED lights to reduce your amp draw. Even at the slip, we use our trawler lamp unless something that requires electrical lights and power (like washing the dishes) happens. Sometimes, when I'm alone, I wash the dishes by trawler lamp. The next day I have to do them all over again :):):)
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Sorry we love it

We love our slip when we park our car and walk onto the boat dockside. I love when I get to the boat on a hot day and the beer is real cold. When the AC has the boat cool. When I rinse off the salt spray. We sleep on the boat and walk to the pool,showers and bathroom,resturant. I guess I am spoiled. A slip does cost more but we use the boat a lot more. The most important thing is my wife loves all of thee above,she is on the boat more than ever before. Nick
 
Jun 4, 2004
167
- - Conway, Lake Ouachita, Arkansas
Mooring (alot like cruising)

Almost all of my mooring experience has been done while cruising. Like anchoring except less likely to drag. Solar panel('s) a must in my mind. I am currently residing in a slip, so the Marine Air and Hot water has spoiled me. A genset would be nice (more trips to fill up with diesel) Lake Ouachita has no diesel at the fuel docks, so we have to carry it down with 5 gallon fuel cans. I do run a inverter with 7 agms, two group 31's and 5 group 24's. So staying out for 3 days does not affect me running a reefer, and a high powered stereo. (1200 watts). My voltage never gets so low that my autopilot goes on the fritz, or reefer shuts off. When I have been on a mooring while cruising, we had two 75 watt solar panels, 12 batterys, and 75 amp alternator. After three weeks of running the reefer and using the invertor to charge up handheld's, laptops, rec time (Television and dvd player) we ended up firing up the generator to charge up the batterys, so we could start the engine. After the batterys were drawn down so far, it seemed we could never keep them up unless we could charge them fully with a 110v charger. A good solar setup (like the Solar Stik) would be a must for being on a buoy. If you are a day sailor and don't spend much time out it probably won't affect you that much. If you go out for several days at a time, battery power is going to be limited. Tim Welsh Hunter 34 S/V Cabo Wabo
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
Sea Daddler

We love our mooring when we park our car, chuck all our gear in the wheelbarrow and walk down to the dingy... and motor out to the boat (if the motor starts) and if it is still there. I love when I get to the boat on a hot day and the beer is real cold, as I have just purchased cold beer and ice that got chucked into the dingy... as the boat is hot as hell. I have no AC... however I can open up all the hatches until dawn and dusk.... then look for the screens. Can't rinse off the salt spray... so that makes more time for sailing. We sleep on the boat and have to motor to the showers, bathroom and resturant with the two dogs (Cairn Terriors)... we are up early and need a hand held GPS. I guess I am spoiled. It doesn't get any better than this. I guess when I can't get into/out of the dingy... I might change my ways. A slip does cost more... we can't afford it anyway. The most important thing is my wife loves all of thee above, she is on the boat more than ever before. The above sentence will take "Top Priority"! What ever happens on the mooring... stays on the mooring! What ever floats YOUR boat! Rich
 
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Terry Wasik

MOORINGS ARE GREAT

I have been on a mooring at Tahoe since 1992 , first with a 1988 Legend 35 Cheeseburger in Paradise and now with our Hunter 41 Another Cheeseburger in Paradise no problems except when the easterly blows and we get 6 to 8 foot waves. I Saw your boat at Obexer's on the hard. Give me a call 7756919147. Terry
 

Jenni

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May 24, 2007
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Macgregor 26D Port Hope, ON
mooring

At our club everyone is on a mooring. You just grab one of the club dinghys and row on out to your boat. Jump on board and bring her over to the wall. We have power and water on the wall so you can charge the batteries and fill up the water tanks if you need to. It also makes it easier to load up for a trip. Now if you want you can overnight at the wall but honestly I sleep alot better at the mooring the boat rides much nicer out there. No rubbing and the boa always points into the wind. And when the weather turns you are way better off on the mooring then you are anywhere near a wall. And as for worying about the state of your boat while you arnt there well people are just as good at giving you a call when they see your boat is low at the can as they are about calling when you are at the dock.
 
Jan 27, 2007
383
Irwin 37' center cockpit cleveland ohio
so you guys on a mooring

How big are they (the part in the water) and what type is the best. I see where one respondent said his neighbors 65'er pulled loose....that thing has to weigh close to 20 tons. I have a 20,000lb boat and was thinking it would be cheaper than a dock, like free. But I would have to put in the mooring whatever. Thanks.
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
Mushroom Anchor

I think they use mushroom anchors... (check around). I would get the biggest... baddest... thing I could find. Spare no expense. Rich
 
May 25, 2004
958
Hunter 260 Pepin, WI
Guests and Gear

I had my boat on a mooring for a while until a slip came available. All I had was an inflatable kayak to get out to it. I was young and healthy so I could pull myself up onto the deck with arm strength alone, which is required when you can't stand up in your dingy. I left everything on the dock, paddled out to my boat and then brought the boat in to load my guests and gear. Nobody at the marina was concerned if I spent 15 to 20 minutes tied up. My guests could board in comfort and I could ensure I had all my gear prior to sailing. Ironically, that boat ended up sinking from the storm damage in received in a slip at the same marina.
 

Taylor

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Feb 9, 2006
113
Warwick Cardinal 46 Seattle, WA
Helix Mooring

A MacGregor 65 is a light boat for its length - 30,000 lbs according the the listing for this boat in Yachtworld (she's for sale), and it did not pull loose, it just moved the mooring some. My 46 footer has a design weight of 28,000lbs. I did some internet research before I put my mooring in - and I found the Helix mooring Website convincing - particularly this page: http://www.helixmooringsystems.com/benefits.html where it compares the 3000lbs block of concrete set in mud with a 2000lbs pull out to a 8/10 helix with 20,0000 pullout. I have an ss175, which is a 8/10/12 (diameter of the three dishes in inches. The Helix website is not as informative as I think it could be - so let me describe the product a bit - it appears that they take a standard dirt screw used as retaining wall hold backs in heavy construction. Mine has a 2" square solid steel shaft, it is 8' long with three things that look like 1/4" thick steel pie plates split and welded to the shaft a foot or so apart to make some screw threads. Helix Moorings added value is to galvanize the heck out of the thing and set up a network of local installers. The guy here in Washington state (Alpha Marine Services) has a aluminum landing craft, he trailers it up as close to your location as possible, comes out, dives down and puts it in with a big hydraulic powered driver driven from equipment on the surface. It screws down straight into the bottom, and if it does not seem to have grabbed solid substrate he adds a 4' extension to it and keeps going. The top of the thing has a couple of flanges to hold a giant shackle in place around the 2" squate shaft. They come up off that with 1" diameter line to a buoy that is always under water. This means that nothing ever drags around on the bottom, which keeps the Department of Natural Resources happy, and reduces wear. They come down from the surface mooring buoy with chain. So it forms a Z in the water. The scope is high tide plus just a little. So there is very limited swing. The whole install process takes about an hour and a half, including the time it took me to decide exactly where I wanted it. Note - I have no financial interest in either the manufacture or the installer, I'm just a happy customer.
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
Robinhood, ME

We do... even get free daily newspapers. If the mooring field is part of the Marina... they usually offer use of all available amenities.
 
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James Broughton

Good question. Yes, we do.

The fuel and pump-out dock is available to everyone in our harbor. You can fill your water tank there too, but for obvious reasons, use your own hose and stick with bottled water for drinking.
 
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