Trailering a Catalina 30

Jan 30, 2012
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Catalina 36 Bayfield, WI
Just curious if anybody has done or attempted to trailer their 30 foot sailboat. I am well aware of the need for a decent tow vehicle and the oversize road permits. My cruising grounds are about 2 1/2 hours away from my house but having the ability to bring the boat home during the winter and being able to work on it would be great. I've seen pictures on the internet of C-30's on trailers but there isn't much for discussion on the subject. I would like to hear from others about their experiences towing a boat this large.
 
Jul 21, 2013
333
Searching for 1st sailing boat 27-28, 34-36 Channel Islands, Marina Del Rey
I think if you have a trailer that is stable and reliable there should be no problem towing with the right vehicle.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Like Pic says. I have friends that trailer their 35 foot First 36.7s and J/109s home for winter. Big rig and a custom trailer. An easy job with the right gear and help. Just do the math and see it it makes sense. It is NOT a job to go cheap on. Don't do it if you are looking just to save a few bucks at the yard.
 

azguy

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Aug 23, 2012
337
Catalina 22 Lake Pleasant
I should have taken a picture of the one yesterday in the boat yard, OMG, huge !!!

While I'm sure it could be done I think it just looking at the size it would need to be left to a professional mover, unless you already had a huge dually pick up already.

I'd be curious what a permit costs and if you can use your own chase vehicle or it has to be driven by some sort of professional....
 
Jan 30, 2012
105
Catalina 36 Bayfield, WI
Jackdaw- Definatly won't be cheap to find a trailer. The main advantage I have is the space at home to store and work on the boat. I would be very interested in learning about your friends experiences towing a 35 footer. If they are in Bayfield, there is a good chance I could run into them next summer.
 
Oct 3, 2010
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oday 31 noank
having hauled oversized loads for many years I would advise you to leave it to a pro. there are too many things that can go wrong, I also doubt that your insurance would not question your credentials if there were an accident
 

jimg

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Jun 5, 2004
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catalina 27 dana point
Many, if not all, states require a Class A license to tow a trailer load of more than 10,000 lbs., which a Cat 30 most definitely is. If you are in Minnesota, it does.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
I think if you have a trailer that is stable and reliable there should be no problem towing with the right vehicle.
I think it would be better to get advice from someone who has actually trailered a sail boat before. My advice is to hire someone who has had experience to do it, who also has insurance to protect your investment. Your biggest problems are that you need a vehicle that is powerful enough to tow over 10,000 lb. boat plus a 3-4,000 pound trailer that is rated to carry a HEAVY load. Only a triple axle sailboat trailer with electric brakes will do. It will take at least an F350 heavy duty tow rating to not risk blowing an engine or transmission. Look up past threads on towing. Just pulling a 7,000 lb. C 27 is a feat. If you've seen a C30 out of water they are quite a beamy beast. Of course at 10.5 feet wide your have to get a wide load permit.
I've towed a C25 before & it was quite a task, because if the load isn't balanced just right, sailboats like to fish tail in a cross wind. By the time you buy or rent an F350 HD, find a trailer capable of hauling a C30, you will have spent quite a few thousand bucks. That's why most of us just haul out at the nearest marina that we can where dry dock rates are reasonable & travel to the boat, then vise versa. Look up "boat trailer accidents" on the web & maybe it will change your mind. I love my boat & my well being too much to risk either one. My 2 cents.
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,077
Several Catalinas C25/C320 USA
Many, if not all, states require a Class A license to tow a trailer load of more than 10,000 lbs., which a Cat 30 most definitely is. If you are in Minnesota, it does.
Maybe in MN, but not many other states. Those of us with RVs (mostly 5th wheels) have been hauling them all over the country for years, and this topic has never arisen.
 
Jan 30, 2012
105
Catalina 36 Bayfield, WI
MN does require a class A license for trailers exceeding 10,000 lbs if it is for commercial use. However if it is for private use, the combined weight of the tow vehicle and trailer can not exceed 26,000 lbs.

In the case we are talking about here my truck weighs 9200 lbs, boat weighs 10,200 lbs, trailer approx 4000 lbs for a combined total of 23,400 lbs. The truck also has a maximum towing capacity of 15,600 lbs.

As Big Windy stated earlier, there are a lot of big 5th wheels being hauled around the country, MN included, that weigh just as much as a Catalina 30 if not more.
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,780
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I have a CDL and haul boats all of the time and I have a 30' sailboat on a triple axle trailer that I tow behind a Chevy 3500 dually Duramax w/Allison tranny and it is not a problem at all. Be aware that you have to have permits for anything over 8.5 feet wide to be legal. If you travel on state highways, you have to have a permit for each state you travel in. If you are going to haul it over county roads, you need to have a wide load permit for county roads. The boat must be flagged if over 9' and signed if over 11'. The boat must be under 13'6" high to be legal and the boat has to be secured to the trailer. Your trailer has to have brakes and a break away switch. I know lots of private boat owners who haul their boats across country with no problem, but they have proper and legal equipment and get permits. You should also make sure your insurance covers your trip(s).
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Jackdaw- Definatly won't be cheap to find a trailer. The main advantage I have is the space at home to store and work on the boat. I would be very interested in learning about your friends experiences towing a 35 footer. If they are in Bayfield, there is a good chance I could run into them next summer.
The 109 is there. If you come up, look for Barnacle Bill and I at the Bayfield Inn bar. It's where we all hang out.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
I have a CDL and haul boats all of the time and I have a 30' sailboat on a triple axle trailer that I tow behind a Chevy 3500 dually Duramax w/Allison tranny and it is not a problem at all. Be aware that you have to have permits for anything over 8.5 feet wide to be legal. If you travel on state highways, you have to have a permit for each state you travel in. If you are going to haul it over county roads, you need to have a wide load permit for county roads. The boat must be flagged if over 9' and signed if over 11'. The boat must be under 13'6" high to be legal and the boat has to be secured to the trailer. Your trailer has to have brakes and a break away switch. I know lots of private boat owners who haul their boats across country with no problem, but they have proper and legal equipment and get permits. You should also make sure your insurance covers your trip(s).
Thank you for backing up what I said as well Bill, as I'm glad to see that others tow with common sense.
By the way could you estimate just how much you had to pay for that expensive triple axle trailer with electric brakes, a Chevy Duramax Dually 3500 w/Allison trans., the cost of the permits & extra towing insurance policy? Because I would bet that's a pretty big investment, & a certain amount of extra risk. I would have to way out all of extra costs & risks associated with towing a C 30, verses leaving it in the sailing grounds that it is at.
 
Dec 18, 2013
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I read this forum all the time, but have never had anything to contribute due to my inexperience. On this topic, I have relevant experience, because my Catalina 30 is on a trailer by my house for the winter and I put it there. The trailer was made specifically for this boat by TrailRite in California. It pulls very nicely. I understand the trailers are maybe $8,000+ new and about half that much used, as a ballpark. I did secure a wide load permit to pull the boat home. We used my dad's 3/4 ton Dodge diesel, which worked great.

Here's a picture. There is a catwalk from the back door of the house to facilitate easily boarding the dry docked vessel. Also here is a youtube video of the process of stepping the mast in the middle of nowhere, and our maiden test sail the first day I ever took it out, last spring.
Youtube video: launching catalina 30 fort peck lake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3cSZHR_cjA

 
Jan 30, 2012
105
Catalina 36 Bayfield, WI
Now we are getting somewhere with this thread. The video of the mast going up is really neat. You guys make it look pretty easy. I would like to find out more about your home made crane because that sure could save some money.
 
Dec 18, 2013
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There are a couple of those contraptions installed near boat ramps on our lake. We call it a Yard Arm, or Mast-raising pole, or whatever. They were built by the generation of sailors who preceded me, in cooperation with the US Army Corps of Engineers who regulate the land. It's a pretty tall and sturdy pole, with a block at the top. I attach an electric winch to do the work. The winch is not necessary for a lighter mast, such as that of my MacGregor 25.

Another procedure just as intriguing is launching the boat. My camera ran out of battery else that would have been on the video. We back the boat down the ramp to the water, block the wheels, unhitch, add a 30 foot hitch extension and then back it way out into the water.

The thing is, we're not doing this to save money by side-stepping the boat yard. There is no boat yard. Those mast-raising poles and 4 precious moorings are the entire infrastructure related to sailing here, on this big lake. In the 80's, this area had half a dozen or more sailors. Now I am the only one out there, except for a 3 or 4 trailer sailors who visit for a few days during the season. My Catalina 30 is the only fixed-keel boat in the water in the summer. In the winter it must be removed because the lake freezes.

While I dislike the label "Do-It-Yourself," it is a matter of necessity for absolutely everything related to my boat. There's nobody to haul the boat, no crane to hire, no mechanic that will work on it, not even someone to patch fiberglass. There are no slips to handle her either. I sometimes wish there was more of a sailing scene here. Maybe I'm one of the last, but I sure do love it.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
While I dislike the label "Do-It-Yourself," it is a matter of necessity for absolutely everything related to my boat. There's nobody to haul the boat, no crane to hire, no mechanic that will work on it, not even someone to patch fiberglass. There are no slips to handle her either. I sometimes wish there was more of a sailing scene here. Maybe I'm one of the last, but I sure do love it.
Nasty,

I hope I didn't give that impression with my post. I TOTALLY get that on some lakes, often this is the only way to get the job done. When that is the case, often the owner creates a system that rivals how a commercial outfit would do it. Sounds like what you are doing.

I was advising people to NOT skip that path.
 
Dec 18, 2013
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Nasty,

I hope I didn't give that impression with my post. I TOTALLY get that on some lakes, often this is the only way to get the job done. When that is the case, often the owner creates a system that rivals how a commercial outfit would do it. Sounds like what you are doing.

I was advising people to NOT skip that path.
Hi Jackdaw,
I didn't think you gave a negative impression at all. I agree with your original post that it would be unwise to cheap-out on this kind of thing. Could lead to loss of boat or life and limb. I had to lament about the lack of options here. I owe so much to the previous owner of my boat who paved the way and continues to help me a lot. Someday if/when I live on the ocean, all the discussions about boat yards will mean something to me.
 
Jan 8, 2011
17
1981 Catalina 30 TRBS #2154 Northeast MD
C.N.
Great video both the prep/mast raising and the sailing, but loved the picture you posted. You have now identified the single best home addition ever-the gangplank from house to boat is fantastic. My wife on the other hand, was having none of this and immediately noted the similarity between the large toy on the trailer and the one in the corner of the picture...