Hello sailors, This is my first post. I have been pondering the idea of buying a sailboat for a long time now and I'm making the move. So In line with my plans, 2 weeks ago I purchased a new SUV for towing purposes. At first I was thinking of going with a Mac 26M/X but after seeing the H260 I fell in absolute love. The problem now is that the SUV I purchased is OK for towing a Mac but disappointingly doesn't seem like its good enough to tow an H260. Can anyone here comment on this? MY 2007 Santa Fe SPECIFICATIONS New 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD with a 3.3L V6 engine and shiftronic (nice for shifting to lower gears when going up or down hills). The thing is that I didn’t want to buy the “big truck” since 98% of the time it will not be used for towing. The owners manual says it’s rated to tow 3500 lbs +1000 for boats (4500 lbs GTWR?), which was enough for the MacGregor at the time. GVWR standard: 5291 lbs GVWR maximum: 5556 lbs. HP: 242 AWD Transmission: Automatic Torque: 226 @ 4,500 RPM Wheelbase: 106.3 inches Length: 184.1 inches Tow Capacity: 3500 lbs Tow Capacity for a boat (+1000): 4500 lbs H260 WEIGHT H260 weight: 4420 lbs (with equipment and gear) H260 trailer: 1320 lbs Total tow weight: 5740 lbs. So I seem to be short 1240 lbs (5740 - 4500). THE BIG PLAN The idea is to buy the H260 as far as 2000 miles away from Calgary to get a good deal, meaning I would have to tow it back 2000 miles. Once the boat is in my city I will probably tow it about once a month for 200 miles. I wonder if I add heavy duty rear shocks, a transmission cooler and an inertia brake controller if it’s going to sturdy things up enough? I also think that going with the 2 axle trailer with brakes will give it a fighting chance. Anyone towing with a similar vehicle? Ideas or comments?
Towing an H260 with a 2007 Hyundai Santa Fe
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George has written the best information on the h260 - try this link for a bunch of great information on towing (and the site in general for the 260.) http://kobernus.com/hunter260/index.html Click on 'upgrades' then 'towing tips'. Dave s/v Wind Dreamer II
George has written the best information on the h260 - try this link for a bunch of great information on towing (and the site in general for the 260.) http://kobernus.com/hunter260/index.html Click on 'upgrades' then 'towing tips'. Dave s/v Wind Dreamer II
I Would Bet What They are Saying
Is add #1000 to the weight of the boat. Though the boat is light, relatively anyway there is alot of surface exposed creating wind resistance plus the length of the boat is going to set up a large moment on the tow vehicle. If I were to make a recomendation it would be to get the 260 rent a truck to bring it home and buy an older truck to drag it around after that. A ten to fifteen year old F150 (I'd stay with one from '96 on) would be fine. Everyone could use a truck around the house anyway.
Is add #1000 to the weight of the boat. Though the boat is light, relatively anyway there is alot of surface exposed creating wind resistance plus the length of the boat is going to set up a large moment on the tow vehicle. If I were to make a recomendation it would be to get the 260 rent a truck to bring it home and buy an older truck to drag it around after that. A ten to fifteen year old F150 (I'd stay with one from '96 on) would be fine. Everyone could use a truck around the house anyway.
Renting a truck
When I sold my h-26, the new owner intended on renting a truck to bring it home. He could not find a single place, commercial or typical, that would rent a truck with a hitch. I would have through Budget Commercial or Hertz would have had something, but apparently there's a perceived liability in renting a tow vehicle. Of course the other option is borrowing a vehicle and paying the owner something. Canada might be different, but just a heads-up should you think about renting. Dave s/v Wind Dreamer II
When I sold my h-26, the new owner intended on renting a truck to bring it home. He could not find a single place, commercial or typical, that would rent a truck with a hitch. I would have through Budget Commercial or Hertz would have had something, but apparently there's a perceived liability in renting a tow vehicle. Of course the other option is borrowing a vehicle and paying the owner something. Canada might be different, but just a heads-up should you think about renting. Dave s/v Wind Dreamer II
Towing the H260
Steve: I went through the same goat-rope with a 25' powerboat. The boat outweighed the car by 2000 lbs and was quite a bit higher/longer. Launching was a hoot - once I started down the ramp the whole thing would just slide into the water... To get the boat out, I'd hook my second car to the first and use the two cars to pull the boat out. I was young and foolish and towed it quite a distance (no hills) and never had a problem - needed brakes pretty quick and had a few "white knuckle" events on the road -- always looked for that puff of black smoke coming from the trailer tires when stopping. If you won't be doing much towing, beef up the shocks and add trans/engine coolers, and stay in lower gears, you'll probably get away with it... Once you locate your boat, insist that the seller provide a certified weigh ticket for the boat/trailer before comitting to the deal. That way if it's too heavy you can back out of the deal. The worst thing that can happen is that you'll void your new car warranty or you'll get into an accident and your insurance company will refuse to cover you because you've exceeded the manufacturers design specs for the car. Rick's suggestion is pretty good - find an older pick-up to tow the boat. That way you'll sleep better and you have a way to haul that trash to the dump. Life is an adventure -- you'll never know until you give it a try.
Steve: I went through the same goat-rope with a 25' powerboat. The boat outweighed the car by 2000 lbs and was quite a bit higher/longer. Launching was a hoot - once I started down the ramp the whole thing would just slide into the water... To get the boat out, I'd hook my second car to the first and use the two cars to pull the boat out. I was young and foolish and towed it quite a distance (no hills) and never had a problem - needed brakes pretty quick and had a few "white knuckle" events on the road -- always looked for that puff of black smoke coming from the trailer tires when stopping. If you won't be doing much towing, beef up the shocks and add trans/engine coolers, and stay in lower gears, you'll probably get away with it... Once you locate your boat, insist that the seller provide a certified weigh ticket for the boat/trailer before comitting to the deal. That way if it's too heavy you can back out of the deal. The worst thing that can happen is that you'll void your new car warranty or you'll get into an accident and your insurance company will refuse to cover you because you've exceeded the manufacturers design specs for the car. Rick's suggestion is pretty good - find an older pick-up to tow the boat. That way you'll sleep better and you have a way to haul that trash to the dump. Life is an adventure -- you'll never know until you give it a try.
Need more truck.
Steve, The Santa Fe will only be good to move the boat around very short distances. I would not try to tow the H260 on any extended trips with that vehicle, it just isn't up to the task. I say this because I have a Honda Passport (Isuzu Rodeo) with a 3.2 liter V6 and I have towed my H22 with this truck. I have had to replace the tranny 2 times now, second time under warranty. The Passport is rated the same as your Santa Fe for towing and my H22 is at least 1400 lbs lighter than the H260. It tows ok on flat land , but hills absolutely kill my truck. Oh, I also have a dual axle trailer for the 22. I have read in numerous forums that you should only tow at 75% of your trucks capacity. Never at it max or more, at least not on a regular basis. However, if you plan to keep the Santa Fe for a while the best investment you can make is in a transmission cooler. Beefier springs are good as well but the cooler will really help the tranny from over-heating. That was the cause of my transmission failures. Personally I'll be moving up to a 4Runner with a v8 as soon as the wife gives the okay. It is rated at 7k towing and should provide me with a nice capacity buffer. Fair Winds, Todd
Steve, The Santa Fe will only be good to move the boat around very short distances. I would not try to tow the H260 on any extended trips with that vehicle, it just isn't up to the task. I say this because I have a Honda Passport (Isuzu Rodeo) with a 3.2 liter V6 and I have towed my H22 with this truck. I have had to replace the tranny 2 times now, second time under warranty. The Passport is rated the same as your Santa Fe for towing and my H22 is at least 1400 lbs lighter than the H260. It tows ok on flat land , but hills absolutely kill my truck. Oh, I also have a dual axle trailer for the 22. I have read in numerous forums that you should only tow at 75% of your trucks capacity. Never at it max or more, at least not on a regular basis. However, if you plan to keep the Santa Fe for a while the best investment you can make is in a transmission cooler. Beefier springs are good as well but the cooler will really help the tranny from over-heating. That was the cause of my transmission failures. Personally I'll be moving up to a 4Runner with a v8 as soon as the wife gives the okay. It is rated at 7k towing and should provide me with a nice capacity buffer. Fair Winds, Todd
Enterprise or U-haul, then trade up/down/all aroun
Keep the 'lil Santa Fe. Rent a real truck when you need it. Enterprise rents full size pickups in some areas, and if that doesn't do it rent a big ole UHaul truck. After a year or three you will have these options: a) this is really really fun, and I want a real truck b) this is fun, but we always go to X lake, I think I'll just get a slip there c) what are these people talking about! this boat is for sale. d) this is the best fun I have ever had with [part of]my clothes on. I'm going to sell this boat and buy a BIGGER one and to heck with this towing crap. e) this is sorta fun, but I'm getting a small Hunter 170 that I can pull behind my Santa Fe.
Keep the 'lil Santa Fe. Rent a real truck when you need it. Enterprise rents full size pickups in some areas, and if that doesn't do it rent a big ole UHaul truck. After a year or three you will have these options: a) this is really really fun, and I want a real truck b) this is fun, but we always go to X lake, I think I'll just get a slip there c) what are these people talking about! this boat is for sale. d) this is the best fun I have ever had with [part of]my clothes on. I'm going to sell this boat and buy a BIGGER one and to heck with this towing crap. e) this is sorta fun, but I'm getting a small Hunter 170 that I can pull behind my Santa Fe.
Its all about money
Only you can make this decision. Towing short distances only, and infrequently at that? Then you can probably wiggle by. Want to explore more? Want to take more stuff with you (people, food, dogs, etc) get more vehicle. I'm faced with this same issue as I look to 'supersize' to a 26/260. My Aztex and Honda Oddy is great for a boat that is 1800lbs with trailer. But I'll need something more. My guess is that I'm going to get a mid/late 90's Suburban. Even with the gas consumption, its cheaper (for me, when you factor in insurnace) to only have two vehicles (the honda oddy family crusier and the suburban work vehicle/tow vehicle). What works for you will invovle many questions: Is your family apt to be growing/stable/shrinking in the next few years? Is your traveling with the boat going to increase or decrease? Do you have other options, such as slips, that could be cost effective? For me, I see my family growing. I see my travleing with the boat increasing, and I see slips in S. Florida remaining at $450 a month or getting higher. So the answer is simple. A used HEMi Durango, or Suburban/Yukon XL, or a Tahoe/Yukon. (homey don't buy fords anymore). I see trading 18/26 mpg for 12/18 mpg as a $1600 per year fuel expense vs a $2300 per year fuel expense ($3 a gallon at 10k per year). I don't think I can rent a tow vehicle for the $700 a year difference (plus you still have to pay for the fuel).
Only you can make this decision. Towing short distances only, and infrequently at that? Then you can probably wiggle by. Want to explore more? Want to take more stuff with you (people, food, dogs, etc) get more vehicle. I'm faced with this same issue as I look to 'supersize' to a 26/260. My Aztex and Honda Oddy is great for a boat that is 1800lbs with trailer. But I'll need something more. My guess is that I'm going to get a mid/late 90's Suburban. Even with the gas consumption, its cheaper (for me, when you factor in insurnace) to only have two vehicles (the honda oddy family crusier and the suburban work vehicle/tow vehicle). What works for you will invovle many questions: Is your family apt to be growing/stable/shrinking in the next few years? Is your traveling with the boat going to increase or decrease? Do you have other options, such as slips, that could be cost effective? For me, I see my family growing. I see my travleing with the boat increasing, and I see slips in S. Florida remaining at $450 a month or getting higher. So the answer is simple. A used HEMi Durango, or Suburban/Yukon XL, or a Tahoe/Yukon. (homey don't buy fords anymore). I see trading 18/26 mpg for 12/18 mpg as a $1600 per year fuel expense vs a $2300 per year fuel expense ($3 a gallon at 10k per year). I don't think I can rent a tow vehicle for the $700 a year difference (plus you still have to pay for the fuel).
Thank you all!
Even though I researched the subject thouroughly before asking such questions on this site (including the very good site George Kobernus hosts) your comments were by far the most helpful. So the verdict comes to this...no towing an H260 with the Santa Fe for long distances for the following reasons: 1. Safety 2. Insurance would probably not pay a dime if an accident would be to occur based on negligence. 3. Wear to the vehicle. I should've bought something like my buddy's GMC 1500 extended cab with 8900 lbs towing capacity (and it's cheaper too). You guys made me laugh saying "keep the little Santa Fe" because to me its a huge truck (I always owned cars before that) LOL. I just didn't see myself as the PickUp type, but now I see that I made a mistake. I think Andy changed my perspective most and is drawing on my "reasonable" side. So here is now the plan: 1. Buy the damn boat and shut up. LOL 2. Rent a truck or even use a special towing service to get it all the way over here ($1500 maybe? I'll still save money). 3. Sturdy up the Santa Fe shocks as suggested + trans cooler etc. 4. The closest bigger lake is located about 100 miles away from here, FLAT FLAT roads. So tow it maybe 1-2 times per season by leaving it at the lake (slip or on the trailer parked at the marina). So really the lil'Santa Fe will be used to launch and retrieve (with locked AWD I should be OK + the launch at my lake is smooth and easy). 5. In a couple of years (+being a more experienced sailor) and feel like exploring Vancouver or Seattle then sell the Santa Fe and buy a real truck. Something that can tow around 9000 lbs to be on the safe side. That works out great for me. Thanks again, my mind is clear now. Hey, if you have more ideas just shoot, you guys are great.
Even though I researched the subject thouroughly before asking such questions on this site (including the very good site George Kobernus hosts) your comments were by far the most helpful. So the verdict comes to this...no towing an H260 with the Santa Fe for long distances for the following reasons: 1. Safety 2. Insurance would probably not pay a dime if an accident would be to occur based on negligence. 3. Wear to the vehicle. I should've bought something like my buddy's GMC 1500 extended cab with 8900 lbs towing capacity (and it's cheaper too). You guys made me laugh saying "keep the little Santa Fe" because to me its a huge truck (I always owned cars before that) LOL. I just didn't see myself as the PickUp type, but now I see that I made a mistake. I think Andy changed my perspective most and is drawing on my "reasonable" side. So here is now the plan: 1. Buy the damn boat and shut up. LOL 2. Rent a truck or even use a special towing service to get it all the way over here ($1500 maybe? I'll still save money). 3. Sturdy up the Santa Fe shocks as suggested + trans cooler etc. 4. The closest bigger lake is located about 100 miles away from here, FLAT FLAT roads. So tow it maybe 1-2 times per season by leaving it at the lake (slip or on the trailer parked at the marina). So really the lil'Santa Fe will be used to launch and retrieve (with locked AWD I should be OK + the launch at my lake is smooth and easy). 5. In a couple of years (+being a more experienced sailor) and feel like exploring Vancouver or Seattle then sell the Santa Fe and buy a real truck. Something that can tow around 9000 lbs to be on the safe side. That works out great for me. Thanks again, my mind is clear now. Hey, if you have more ideas just shoot, you guys are great.
Towing with a Hyundai
Steve, not to be redundant, but make sure that you want to be a trailer sailor. I went through the same thing last year and was considering a H260. The people onthis site were excellent in providing information. Since I live in a northern climate I flew to Texas and Florida several times last winter to try out several different boats and ended up with a late model Hunter 25. I am very happy with my decision. However, I didn't launch and retrieve the boat, as they were all berthed in boat slips at marinas. After launching the Hunter 25 twice, although the effort was fairly easy, I decided to put it in a slip. Taking about 1-1/2 to rig and de-rig was too much with line-ups, etc. at boat ramps was not my cup of tea. If I decide to sail in a distant location, I will usually rent from a local marina, which I did before I bought the boat. If you can show any sailing certification and experience, this is never a problem. Towing 50 miles wihout a transmission and power steering cooler will fry your tranny, even with a 2000 lb load. Most truck rental places make you sign an agreement that you will not use the rental to tow. Canada isn't as strict. The other thing you need to consider is that you can not legally tow the Hunter 260 without a permit, at least in the US. Anything over a 8'6" beam requires a permit. I believe the Hunter 260 is 8'11". I know people who got tickets. Good luck with your search, but I woud recommend that you buy locally through a dealer since it is your first boat. A dealer will be able to help you locate and purchase, arrange transport, check everything over, explain everything and will make sure that you get a good deal. Barry
Steve, not to be redundant, but make sure that you want to be a trailer sailor. I went through the same thing last year and was considering a H260. The people onthis site were excellent in providing information. Since I live in a northern climate I flew to Texas and Florida several times last winter to try out several different boats and ended up with a late model Hunter 25. I am very happy with my decision. However, I didn't launch and retrieve the boat, as they were all berthed in boat slips at marinas. After launching the Hunter 25 twice, although the effort was fairly easy, I decided to put it in a slip. Taking about 1-1/2 to rig and de-rig was too much with line-ups, etc. at boat ramps was not my cup of tea. If I decide to sail in a distant location, I will usually rent from a local marina, which I did before I bought the boat. If you can show any sailing certification and experience, this is never a problem. Towing 50 miles wihout a transmission and power steering cooler will fry your tranny, even with a 2000 lb load. Most truck rental places make you sign an agreement that you will not use the rental to tow. Canada isn't as strict. The other thing you need to consider is that you can not legally tow the Hunter 260 without a permit, at least in the US. Anything over a 8'6" beam requires a permit. I believe the Hunter 260 is 8'11". I know people who got tickets. Good luck with your search, but I woud recommend that you buy locally through a dealer since it is your first boat. A dealer will be able to help you locate and purchase, arrange transport, check everything over, explain everything and will make sure that you get a good deal. Barry
How does a 260 weigh this much?
How is it a boat that weighs 3000lbs and a trailer than weighs 1200lbs ends up needing 6 or 7k tow vehicles? I can see adding an outboard and some other equipment might make the whole combo weigh 5200lbs or so, but you guys are scaring me with some of the numbers. Someone said their boat weighed 4400lbs.. What the heck is in it?
How is it a boat that weighs 3000lbs and a trailer than weighs 1200lbs ends up needing 6 or 7k tow vehicles? I can see adding an outboard and some other equipment might make the whole combo weigh 5200lbs or so, but you guys are scaring me with some of the numbers. Someone said their boat weighed 4400lbs.. What the heck is in it?
Wow.. 1400 lbs higher than hunters specs.
That is amazing. When you weighed the boat was it full of fuel, water, and such? Was it loaded up to survive a nuclear winter? I know Manufactures screw stuff up, but this is something like 33% off...
That is amazing. When you weighed the boat was it full of fuel, water, and such? Was it loaded up to survive a nuclear winter? I know Manufactures screw stuff up, but this is something like 33% off...
I weighed my 260
and it came in at 5950 lbs curb weight wet. When you add house batteries, 11 gallon fuel tank, tools, spare parts, toys, etc. it adds up. Make sure you have good tires, properly inflated. I tow mine with a Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins diesel with an engine brake and I love the setup. I also live in Colorado and have alot of mountain towing to deal with. It's nice to be able to pull Vail pass at 70 MPH and still get 17 MPG. We have done a 3000 mile trip to Mexico and several trips around western US with no problems.
and it came in at 5950 lbs curb weight wet. When you add house batteries, 11 gallon fuel tank, tools, spare parts, toys, etc. it adds up. Make sure you have good tires, properly inflated. I tow mine with a Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins diesel with an engine brake and I love the setup. I also live in Colorado and have alot of mountain towing to deal with. It's nice to be able to pull Vail pass at 70 MPH and still get 17 MPG. We have done a 3000 mile trip to Mexico and several trips around western US with no problems.
Towing with a Small SUV/Truck
I own a Hunter 240 and tow it with a 2006 Nissan Frontier Nismo (260 HP/280lbs/ft of torque) with full frame chassis, heavy duty suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes and rated to tow 6500lbs. I live in Florida where there are no mountains and I don't think that I could tow my boat with a lighter vehicle. At times, the Frontier is marginal, specially when braking and when doing accident avoidance maneuvers. Most of the tow ratings stated by the manufacturers require that you use a weight distribution hitch in order to tow the maximum stated capacity. With surge brakes, this is nearly impossible unless you have some kind of weight distribution hitch that allows for surge brakes. The 260 will outweights the Santa Fe. In an emergency situation, the boat will overpower the Hyundai and you will find yourself in a messy situation very quickly. Boating is about having fun not problems. Buy,rent or loan a tow vehicle but DON'T tow with the Santa Fe.
I own a Hunter 240 and tow it with a 2006 Nissan Frontier Nismo (260 HP/280lbs/ft of torque) with full frame chassis, heavy duty suspension, 4 wheel disk brakes and rated to tow 6500lbs. I live in Florida where there are no mountains and I don't think that I could tow my boat with a lighter vehicle. At times, the Frontier is marginal, specially when braking and when doing accident avoidance maneuvers. Most of the tow ratings stated by the manufacturers require that you use a weight distribution hitch in order to tow the maximum stated capacity. With surge brakes, this is nearly impossible unless you have some kind of weight distribution hitch that allows for surge brakes. The 260 will outweights the Santa Fe. In an emergency situation, the boat will overpower the Hyundai and you will find yourself in a messy situation very quickly. Boating is about having fun not problems. Buy,rent or loan a tow vehicle but DON'T tow with the Santa Fe.
George
I have often thought about this as well. Since the ballast is water, with a SG of 1, does that increase the displacement by 2000 lbs when you fill the tank? I suppose it does, because the boat sits lower in the water. The old pound of feathers vs a pound of lead thing. But if you fill the ballast and plug the vent but leave the fill valve open, how can you be "displacing" that water if it is in physical contact with the water you are floating in? Is that why the 260 is tender until it heels enough to lift this weight above the waterline? Thinking about a submarine, does its displacement change when it submerges, or only its bouyancy? I guess it 's displacement does change because it has to displace the amount of water when it is surfaced plus the amount of water the upper structure displaces when it is submerged, but this is offset by the water it takes into its ballast tanks. Hmmmm... points to ponder while I watch it snow outside. We recieved a foot of snow this morning, waiting for it to melt and fill the reservoirs.
I have often thought about this as well. Since the ballast is water, with a SG of 1, does that increase the displacement by 2000 lbs when you fill the tank? I suppose it does, because the boat sits lower in the water. The old pound of feathers vs a pound of lead thing. But if you fill the ballast and plug the vent but leave the fill valve open, how can you be "displacing" that water if it is in physical contact with the water you are floating in? Is that why the 260 is tender until it heels enough to lift this weight above the waterline? Thinking about a submarine, does its displacement change when it submerges, or only its bouyancy? I guess it 's displacement does change because it has to displace the amount of water when it is surfaced plus the amount of water the upper structure displaces when it is submerged, but this is offset by the water it takes into its ballast tanks. Hmmmm... points to ponder while I watch it snow outside. We recieved a foot of snow this morning, waiting for it to melt and fill the reservoirs.
Here is a link to a dealers specs
http://www.nboat.com/hunterboats/hunter260/specifications.shtml It says 3000lbs empty. I'd love it if someone can scan an actual hunter brochure for the 260. Anyway. A boat weighs what it displaces. A boat that weighs 6000lbs displaces 6000lbs, wether the weight is feathers, lead, or fiberglass. I have seen boat advertisements that show displacement, ballast and displacement with boat sitting at its design waterline. Once you start exceeding the design waterline you can turn a decent sailing boat into a handful.
http://www.nboat.com/hunterboats/hunter260/specifications.shtml It says 3000lbs empty. I'd love it if someone can scan an actual hunter brochure for the 260. Anyway. A boat weighs what it displaces. A boat that weighs 6000lbs displaces 6000lbs, wether the weight is feathers, lead, or fiberglass. I have seen boat advertisements that show displacement, ballast and displacement with boat sitting at its design waterline. Once you start exceeding the design waterline you can turn a decent sailing boat into a handful.
Ok let me try again.
Submarines? http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/blowballast/sub/work2.htm They work the same way as any boat. The volume of the hull stays the same, but its weight increases by pumping water into tanks. When the weight of the sub exceeds the weight of the water displaced by hull it sinks. As for leaving the valve open. I don't think it works that way. The water in the tank is still acting on the inside surface of the hull (except when the valve is). When you heel the boat, that water is still acting inside of the hull. When you heel the boat enough that ballast is above the waterline, water will leak out from the valve until it is at the waterline again.
Submarines? http://www.onr.navy.mil/focus/blowballast/sub/work2.htm They work the same way as any boat. The volume of the hull stays the same, but its weight increases by pumping water into tanks. When the weight of the sub exceeds the weight of the water displaced by hull it sinks. As for leaving the valve open. I don't think it works that way. The water in the tank is still acting on the inside surface of the hull (except when the valve is). When you heel the boat, that water is still acting inside of the hull. When you heel the boat enough that ballast is above the waterline, water will leak out from the valve until it is at the waterline again.
H260 Weight
Alan, The NBOA site also says the "towing weight" is 3870 lbs. This is obviously wrong - if the boat weighed 3000 lbs the trailer would weigh only 870, my empty dual axel trailer has a certified weight of 1320 lbs. Anyway, things weigh what they weigh, and the only way to be sure is to run it across a scale.
Alan, The NBOA site also says the "towing weight" is 3870 lbs. This is obviously wrong - if the boat weighed 3000 lbs the trailer would weigh only 870, my empty dual axel trailer has a certified weight of 1320 lbs. Anyway, things weigh what they weigh, and the only way to be sure is to run it across a scale.
Towing Package
Stve, Does the Santa Fe has a towing package? According to Trailer Life, the Santa Fe can tow up to 3500lbs with automatic transmission and towing package. Here is the link for all vehicles. http://www.trailerlife.com/towratings/07towratings.pdf Trailer boats link: http://www.trailerboats.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2007&make=Hyundai&model=&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=
Stve, Does the Santa Fe has a towing package? According to Trailer Life, the Santa Fe can tow up to 3500lbs with automatic transmission and towing package. Here is the link for all vehicles. http://www.trailerlife.com/towratings/07towratings.pdf Trailer boats link: http://www.trailerboats.com/towrating/index.cfm?action=search&yr=2007&make=Hyundai&model=&min_tlimit=&max_tlimit=
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