Tour of 80's H40

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Feb 6, 2013
437
Hunter 31 Deale, MD
I'm looking for a H40 owner who would be willing to give me a tour of his/her boat. I have a H31 and my wife and I are looking at upgrading to a H40 in the future. We refer to the H40 as the ten-year plan. I'd like the opportunity to stand at the helm and assess visibility and in the main salon and aft cabin and get feel for the size of the spaces. I can't get this from looking at pictures.

If you're a H40 owner in the central Chesapeake Bay and are willing to give me a few minutes of your time, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Please PM me here.

Thanks,
Lewis
 
Jul 1, 2004
567
Hunter 40 St. Petersburg
Hi Lewis.

Since we're in St. Pete Florida we're probably a bit far for a look-see but I can shoot you a few pics and maybe answer questions.

We've lived aboard Anthem ('85 H40) for 13 years now.

That would be 13 years of a LOT of money and a LOT of effort. Anyway, if you're currently looking at this from a big picture perspective I'll copy below what I supplied someone else (a long time ago) who was kinda asking some of the same questions about the H40.



If you're referring to the '84-'90 H40 note that my comments refer to our experiences only and focus on the '84-'86 models. The '87-'90 boats are mostly the same but incorporated many minor design changes.


Cons:

Tankage is one issue. Not capacity, but rather having ALL fuel in one tank and ALL water in one tank. Aluminum for the fresh water tank is a questionable choice of material. There are no access ports.

Aft holding tank built into hull grid is poorly executed, small and prone to leaks.

The steel anchors molded into the grid for the chainplate tie-rod system are mild steel and subject to deterioration with any water intrusion.

The joinery is pedestrian at best.

Lightweight Beckson plastic ports ('84-'86.)

Most of the cabinet doors aren't positively latched.

The cockpit lazarettes aren't gasketed and lockable.

The steep and tall companionway can be treacherous in a wild seaway although I've only managed to fall down ours while anchored in calm waters. Go figure.

Only one anchor roller.

Stock 40's are equipped with CNG for the stove. You won't find it outside the US. You'll need to convert to LPG.

Stock 40's have a woefully inadequate house DC bank and charging/monitoring system. DC wiring is untinned.

Two heads on a 40' cruising boat is ridiculous. The H40's forward head is poorly plumbed and so small as to be nearly unusable.

Most 40's are relatively inexpensive (that's why we own one.) However, that also means that most on the market have been bought and abused by less than knowledgeable people who bought with little money, did no meaningful maintenance because they couldn't afford it, or worse, performed those dreaded "owner modifications." There are many beat-to-**** H40's out there that aren't worth owning. Survey REALLY carefully.


Pros:

It's a great looking boat.

It sails beautifully. It's fast.

It's inexpensive.

It's got a sumptuous salon and aft stateroom for a 40' boat.


There are MANY more issues, both good and bad, but these are the biggy's as far as I'm concerned. Most are repairable at which point you have to answer the "is it worth it to me?" question. For us it definitely has been.


As with all boats, it's all about trade-offs, but after may years and over 10,000 miles we're happy to have ours.
 

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Feb 6, 2009
257
Hunter 40 Camano Island
Nice job on the counter top Rick, and the stainless door hardware looks good too.


Hope my spouse does not see those pics this year.........
 
Jul 1, 2004
567
Hunter 40 St. Petersburg
Thanks.

It's all Home Depot (and the like) and done on the cheap.

Still, it's a butt-load of labor.
 
Jul 2, 2013
3
Hunter 40 MD
H_40 In Baltimore

I have an 1985 H 40 in Baltimore that your more than welcome to look at. send me your email address to schedule a day.
 
Feb 6, 2013
437
Hunter 31 Deale, MD
Rick,

Thanks for the insights. Some of the issues you mentioned are not a surprise to me because I own a H31 of the same vintage. As for the H40's I like the galley layout of the early ones better than the late ones. I've wondered how treacherous the companionway might be--I guess that's the trade of for head room in the aft cabin. CNG is fine with me, I don't plan of sailing outside the bay.

By the way, I read somewhere that someone converted their forward head into a hanging locker. That might be worthwhile for you, especially as a liveaboard.
 
Jun 6, 2004
78
- - Port Stanley
Hello Lewis:
Rick's post hits just about all the Con's of the 80's style hunter 40's. I would like to add one more however and that is mold. Because the hunter 40 has no air gap or insulation on the hull walls you will get mould forming between the hull and hull liner, not good! I am in the proses of insulating our 1988 Hunter 40 to prevent this from happening. The mould is caused by a temperature difference between the outside temperature and the inside temperature. Also don't be impressed by the large aft cabin. In the summer it turns into a hot box with very little air flow. Some will say this can be over come with A/C but then you create that temperature differential and your back to the mould issue. As well I do not sleep in the aft on anchor. When at anchor I sleep in the V-berth as I can feel the boat better, anyone that anchors a lot will know what I am talking about. My wife prefers the V-birth for the ventilation.
In a nut shell If I had to do it again I wouldn't buy a hunter 40... We have looked at other boats but I am at a point of no return with our current Hunter. What I mean is that all the work that I have done to this boat I would more then likely have to do to a knew boat.
You can check out my blog site to see what I have currently done to our Hunter 40. Not yet posted on the blog site are this years projects which are, Remove, refinish and add hatches to the cabin floor for additional storage. Remove and rebuild anchor locker in order to add a windless as it wasn't deep enough. And the BIGGIE remove, re-bed and re-seal the KEEL as it was leaking.
I read some ware that if you buy a boat you either need to have a lot of $$$$$ in order to keep and have someone repair it OUR be able to do all the work yourself.
Ps. My Wife informed me this morning that the Aft aluminum holding tank is leaking.
The hell hear never ends :)
 
Jul 1, 2004
567
Hunter 40 St. Petersburg
Rick,
By the way, I read somewhere that someone converted their forward head into a hanging locker. That might be worthwhile for you, especially as a liveaboard.
Yup, BTDT.

We first converted the forward head into storage (first pic.)

Since then we've removed the forward head bulkheads entirely and are remodeling a larger v-berth space (second pic.)
 

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Aug 28, 2011
29
Hunter 40 Phuket
Hey Guys, no need to destroy the anchor locker or get fancy to install a windlass on a H40. Just install a vertical unit just aft of the locker lid and it works fine. This has the benefit of putting the windlass motor inside the V berth where it stays dry, away from the chain and will last 10 times as long as in the chain locker. Did mine in San Diego in 2004 and no problems, am now in SE Asia, basically live on the anchor all that time and distance. Consider if you use the full depth of the bow for the chain you have to fabricate a watertight bulkhead to keep the V berth dry and in any kind of sea the anchor locker will be full of water from the drain and lid. Do you really want to carry x hundred litres of sea water up there? See pic attached.
 

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Aug 29, 2013
2
Hunter 40 Port Washington
Rick, your pics show a stunning boat! Well done. I remember the first time I saw the V berth thinking it looked cramped. What was involved in making that area larger?

JWC, nice windlass. I'll remember that!


George
(In the market for what everyone wants, a beautiful H40 cheap)
 
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