Its time to paint my topsides. The gel coat is shot and I cant keep ahead of the mildew anymore. I'm looking for any information such as: favorite paint brands, priming, sanding, how to handle non-skid, etc. Should I mess with two part paints or stick with Toplac or something like that. Any thoughts and suggestions are appreciated. Grif
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John Visser
Topsides - terminology
This is probably the tenth time I've post a correction for the misuse of this term. You guys should really not use terminology that you don't know. Topsides: part of boat from the waterline to the gun'l. The part you walk on is the deck.
This is probably the tenth time I've post a correction for the misuse of this term. You guys should really not use terminology that you don't know. Topsides: part of boat from the waterline to the gun'l. The part you walk on is the deck.
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Paul
We know what you meant...
Two places to check... 1. sailnet.com articles. Sue and Larry (my favorite DIY inspiration) painted their boat in connection with a refit. http://sailnet.com 2. Glissando. This is a Pearson Triton that the owner completely and artfully refit, including new hull and deck paint. The best part is, he documented the entire process and posted it on the internet, with pictures. http://www.triton381.com/restorationhome.htm From the American Heritage Dictionary: Topside (adv. & adj. ) On or to the upper parts of a ship; on deck. "The captain has gone topside." John is right, too. When used as a noun, topsides refers to the hull above the waterline. Don't run afoul of the dictionary police! Paul sv Escape Artist h336
Two places to check... 1. sailnet.com articles. Sue and Larry (my favorite DIY inspiration) painted their boat in connection with a refit. http://sailnet.com 2. Glissando. This is a Pearson Triton that the owner completely and artfully refit, including new hull and deck paint. The best part is, he documented the entire process and posted it on the internet, with pictures. http://www.triton381.com/restorationhome.htm From the American Heritage Dictionary: Topside (adv. & adj. ) On or to the upper parts of a ship; on deck. "The captain has gone topside." John is right, too. When used as a noun, topsides refers to the hull above the waterline. Don't run afoul of the dictionary police! Paul sv Escape Artist h336
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Ed Schenck
Assuming deck.
John is right of course. If you really did mean "topsides" then I would probably spray with Dupont Imron. But if you mean the deck and cabin trunk then I have done that. I used Toplac over the white gelcoat and Brightsides for the non-skid. Toplac goes on very nicely but do not work in hot sunlight, it sets too fast. Roll with a good foam roller and immediately tip with a very good(expensive) brush. Always tip in the same direction since the paint is a linear polyurethane. Otherwise you will get different shades. If you are careful it will look like a sprayed gelcoat. I mix White and Off-white to get a not too bright color. For non-skid I wanted to get away from the gray. I used straight Off-white mixed liberally with the Interlux powder. I only brush and always in the same direction. While I was applying the Toplac I painted stripes down the middle of the deck and cabin trunk. This split the deck in half so I did not have to keep a too wide wet edge while doing the non-skid. Again it sets up fast and you do not want to brush from/into drying paint. Allow two or three good drying days before you walk on it. I did not primer as I probably should have. I did sand twice and used a cleaner after each sanding. After two seasons it seems to wear well and really shines. The results are excellent for me but I am not a perfectionist. If I were I would probably hire a partner and use two-part.
John is right of course. If you really did mean "topsides" then I would probably spray with Dupont Imron. But if you mean the deck and cabin trunk then I have done that. I used Toplac over the white gelcoat and Brightsides for the non-skid. Toplac goes on very nicely but do not work in hot sunlight, it sets too fast. Roll with a good foam roller and immediately tip with a very good(expensive) brush. Always tip in the same direction since the paint is a linear polyurethane. Otherwise you will get different shades. If you are careful it will look like a sprayed gelcoat. I mix White and Off-white to get a not too bright color. For non-skid I wanted to get away from the gray. I used straight Off-white mixed liberally with the Interlux powder. I only brush and always in the same direction. While I was applying the Toplac I painted stripes down the middle of the deck and cabin trunk. This split the deck in half so I did not have to keep a too wide wet edge while doing the non-skid. Again it sets up fast and you do not want to brush from/into drying paint. Allow two or three good drying days before you walk on it. I did not primer as I probably should have. I did sand twice and used a cleaner after each sanding. After two seasons it seems to wear well and really shines. The results are excellent for me but I am not a perfectionist. If I were I would probably hire a partner and use two-part.
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Troy Schleben
Both right
From the USCG glossary: TOPSIDES - The sides of a vessel between the waterline and the deck; sometimes referring to onto or above the deck.
From the USCG glossary: TOPSIDES - The sides of a vessel between the waterline and the deck; sometimes referring to onto or above the deck.
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shadow sailor
terminology
Dang John If everyone was an expert like you there would be no use in having a forum. or maybe you just like showing off. we are all here to learn ... hurry up and make it your 11th time.
Dang John If everyone was an expert like you there would be no use in having a forum. or maybe you just like showing off. we are all here to learn ... hurry up and make it your 11th time.
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Tom s/v GAIA
Well, it mist make John feel pretty good-----
About himself. Seems to me it could have been said in a nicer (less cocky?) way. Tom s/v GAIA
About himself. Seems to me it could have been said in a nicer (less cocky?) way. Tom s/v GAIA
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John Visser
Excuse me?
Tom, Why are you writing as if I'm not reading this forum too? Here's the deal. When you happen upon a new forum, the accepted protocol (has been for years) is to search for your answer before typing it in. This saves a lot of redundancy, i.e., noise, in teh forum, adn often educates a newcomer on the way to the answer. Had this been done, the original poster would have seen the many discussions of this topic, about the painting, and also about the terminology. The terminology IS important - imagine if you had contracted someone to paint the topsides, adn found they painted some surface other than what you imagined they would?
Tom, Why are you writing as if I'm not reading this forum too? Here's the deal. When you happen upon a new forum, the accepted protocol (has been for years) is to search for your answer before typing it in. This saves a lot of redundancy, i.e., noise, in teh forum, adn often educates a newcomer on the way to the answer. Had this been done, the original poster would have seen the many discussions of this topic, about the painting, and also about the terminology. The terminology IS important - imagine if you had contracted someone to paint the topsides, adn found they painted some surface other than what you imagined they would?
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John Dawson
Between devil and deep blue sea
to hazard a comment here. Actually the devil was the butt end of a deck beam, and the space down the sides to the water is what was referred to. But if I wanted to specify that part of the hull between the waterline and gunwale, I'd use the term freeboard. Topsides seems to suffer a dual use as some are saying, and may lead to misunderstandings. Perhaps we should add this to the knots/saloon/topsides locker?
to hazard a comment here. Actually the devil was the butt end of a deck beam, and the space down the sides to the water is what was referred to. But if I wanted to specify that part of the hull between the waterline and gunwale, I'd use the term freeboard. Topsides seems to suffer a dual use as some are saying, and may lead to misunderstandings. Perhaps we should add this to the knots/saloon/topsides locker?
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Paul
Glad to excuse you...
... if you're willing to give people a break. You jumped on the original poster -- who had an honest question -- in a demeaning and insulting way. This forum is a generous place where people feel free to ask questions. Even when they are being asked for "the tenth time." I sort of like it like that. Paul
... if you're willing to give people a break. You jumped on the original poster -- who had an honest question -- in a demeaning and insulting way. This forum is a generous place where people feel free to ask questions. Even when they are being asked for "the tenth time." I sort of like it like that. Paul
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Tom s/v GAIA
John, I Thought I understood the purpose----
of this forum. I thought (one purpose)was to help find answers to questions. You KNEW what Grif meant, and you chose to be condescending in your response. There where many other ways to get your message across. I assumed you responed the way you did because you enjoy putting others down. So, you must feel pretty good. On this forum, or at a party, I would say the same thing to you. Sail safe, Tom s/v GAIA
of this forum. I thought (one purpose)was to help find answers to questions. You KNEW what Grif meant, and you chose to be condescending in your response. There where many other ways to get your message across. I assumed you responed the way you did because you enjoy putting others down. So, you must feel pretty good. On this forum, or at a party, I would say the same thing to you. Sail safe, Tom s/v GAIA
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John Visser
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John Visser
Whoops!
Sorry Grif, I guess your original request got lost in the scuffle. I haven't ever painted a boat deck, but I have a friend with a very high end boat, a Little Harbor 50, and his deck is painted, and has been since new, I think. I'm pretty sure the use Imron everywhere. Little Harbor in Newport, RI, has one of the best boat paint facilities in the East. I personally would use a good 2 part epoxy-like paint with a UV inhibitor for the smooth parts, and probably dull it for applcation to the non-skid or textured areas. I think you can get compunds that when added to paint will take the gloss down. jv
Sorry Grif, I guess your original request got lost in the scuffle. I haven't ever painted a boat deck, but I have a friend with a very high end boat, a Little Harbor 50, and his deck is painted, and has been since new, I think. I'm pretty sure the use Imron everywhere. Little Harbor in Newport, RI, has one of the best boat paint facilities in the East. I personally would use a good 2 part epoxy-like paint with a UV inhibitor for the smooth parts, and probably dull it for applcation to the non-skid or textured areas. I think you can get compunds that when added to paint will take the gloss down. jv
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