Thermal Mixing Valve

Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
I finally upgraded my water heater after reading the posts from Mainsail, Stu, et. al. to a safer system. As you all have no doubt discovered the hard way, the water that comes out of the tap after using the engine to heat it is really HOT. I find this out every time I leave the handle set from when the water was heated using the electric option and then turn it on at the same setting after motoring.

I found my mixing valve on Amazon here:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SYC1IV6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It was pretty easy to install, although it is all 1/2" NPS (straight threads), so you get the classic thread mismatch we are all familiar with when an improper seacock valve is mated with the through hull. In my first attempt I removed the hot water output line and fittings to be replaced with a short brass nipple and coupling. The junction of the new valve and the coupling leaked even with some pipe dope, so I went with plan B. I found at the local plumbing supply house an adapter that is 1/2" NPT (tapered) for the water heater side and a 1/2" female for the mixing valve ($4.25). Voila, no more leaks. I relocated the hot line to the mix junction and installed a push on Tee with male adapter cut into the existing cold water feed line with a braided supply line to the cold input of the new valve.

The test was to set the valve at 40 C (110 F) and heat the contents with shore power. Sure enough, with the galley faucet set at max hot, I got 110 F water. Then we motored for a couple of hours knowing the water in the tank would be scalding. I turned it on full hot and it was exactly 110 F. Just like it was supposed to be.

This was an easy project if you don't mind some water running down into the bilge while swapping and cutting lines. The pictures show the first attempt with the leaking coupling, then the final installation with the adapter.

And I have cleaned up the rust flakes that occurred from a previously unnoticed leak that ate up the mounting foot. :redface:
 

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Dan_Y

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Oct 13, 2008
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Hunter 36 Hampton
Thanks for posting this as my job will be easier! I have the same valve sitting in a "plumbing projects" bucket along with what I thought were all of the right fittings. I know better now. I'm going to add a shut off valve in the supply line just before the strainer and pump to make cleaning the strainer less messy.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
Thanks for posting this as my job will be easier! I have the same valve sitting in a "plumbing projects" bucket along with what I thought were all of the right fittings. I know better now. I'm going to add a shut off valve in the supply line just before the strainer and pump to make cleaning the strainer less messy.
Dan,

Glad to help. This modification is really great, and pretty easy.

The shut off valve sounds like a good idea. I have two tanks and a three way valve. It always gives me trouble so I plan on putting in two separate valves in front of the strainer. That way I can turn both off or alternate from which ever one I want to draw water from.

Allan
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
Allan Do you have a picture of your filter and 2 valves in front of the strainer? Thanks.. Jon
 
May 16, 2007
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Boatless ! 26 Ottawa, Ontario
Thanks for posting Allan. It gave me a push, it has moved up my list. I'll order the parts tomorrow.
Bob
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
Allan Do you have a picture of your filter and 2 valves in front of the strainer? Thanks.. Jon
Jon,

Not yet. Its still in my mind. I thought one of the Claudes might have done that already, but don't know that they posted any pictures.

Allan
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,054
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Laughing.. I rebuilt my three way tank selector valve with a new o-ring and internal spring and some hand lapping to correct the sealing surface. I think Claude Auger replaced the three way selector with a little manifold and PVC ball valves..
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
LOL Allan... Your idea allowed me to get past the 3-way valve. Thanks! Since it is still in your mind, maybe you can think about it and post a brain scan.

Claude... Thanks.. I like the idea of the manifold (too embarrassed to admit it, but I didn't know what a manifold was until I Googled it..... Darn.. I just admitted it!) with separate valves. I was also looking for a picture of the aft water tank and while doing a search for the Claude's manifold/valve I found your picture of the rear tank. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
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Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
Hi Allan... I am unable to find the adapter for the Mixing Valve anywhere. Could you please let me know where you obtained them. Thanks -Jon
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
Hi Allan... I am unable to find the adapter for the Mixing Valve anywhere. Could you please let me know where you obtained them. Thanks -Jon
Jon,

Well I guess when we trade houses and boats you will have to go down to Royal Brass here in San Jose and pick one up. Or better, I'll have to bring it with me. :D:D

This is a part that should be available at hydraulic line supply outfits. Its actually quite common I believe once you know where to look. And believe me it took a while for me to figure out where to look.

There is a place in Cape Coral (is that near you?) called West Coast Hydraulic (239-634-3953) that might have what you need, but they don't seem to be open on weekends.

Here is a link that you can use when you shop around for the part.

http://www.royalsupply.com/store/pc/Hydraulic-Fitting-1404-08-08-1-2-MP-1-2-FPS-Straight-p54351.htm

I hope this helps.

Allan
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
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Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
Well I guess when we trade houses and boats you will have to go down to Royal Brass here in San Jose and pick one up. Or better, I'll have to bring it with me. :D:D
Sounds like a plan! But just in case your not showing up this week, I'll have to come up with plan B.

I went to several plumbing places as well as Ace and True Value both of which usually have what I am looking for, but they were all stumped. I'll try the local hydraulics supply folks. All commercial shops are closed on Sat & Sun here. If they don't have them then I'll order those from your link and have them UPS them here.

Thank you for all your, Splax and others guidance through this re-plumbing effort.

-Jon
 
Aug 17, 2010
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Hunter 410 Dover NH
I went to several plumbing places as well as Ace and True Value both of which usually have what I am looking for, but they were all stumped. I'll try the local hydraulics supply folks. All commercial shops are closed on Sat & Sun here. If they don't have them then I'll order those from your link and have them UPS them here.

Thank you for all your, Splax and others guidance through this re-plumbing effort.

-Jon

Did you find the fitting?
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
PS Here is a picture of it... Note I needed additional fittings to match the threads...... -Jon
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Aug 17, 2010
208
Hunter 410 Dover NH
Thanks Jon I was wondering about the adapter to go from the tank to the mix valve.

Thanks
 

PGIJon

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Mar 3, 2012
856
Hunter 34 Punta Gorda
About 2 years... No issues yet, I did use teflon tape to try and isolate the metals... but I'm sure they must be touching somewhere unseeable....