The joys of having a swing keel :(

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Dec 20, 2010
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Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Well here it is the end of the season for us :(. We went over yesterday to get the boat ready to pull out of the water Sunday (tomorrow). Got the jib off and the boom with the main. Pulled the rudder off so we could attach our mast crutch. Everything was going so nicely. Then started to crank the swing keel up. It was coming up and almost home when the cable came loose and pulled out while the keel swung back down. We tried to use a line looped underneath the hull and try to pull it up but no way would it stay low enough on the keel to do so, even with some weights added to it. So we came home and thought about it. Came up with an idea to use a long pole 10' with a hook taped to the end with a braided line fed down thru the cable tube that we would then fish from underneath and tie to the hook. Then tape the hook onto the pole and try and fish the hook into the hole in the keel where the cable would normally make its loop. Well sas tried for about an hour and a half and almost got it 3 or 4 times but the hook kept slipping out. I tried for awhile with the same results. Finally I decided to get into my shorts and brave the water and swim down under and place the hook into the hole. After my forth attempt at that and slicing my fingers on the barnicles that had attached themselves to the keel I decided to at least get back on the boat and have a little break before giving it another go. In the mean time while I'm resting and getting dry sas has another go at it and managed to get the hook into the hole but also managed to pull the pole loose of the hook. I grabbed the line and gently pulled it upward until the slack was gone and could feel the keel weight on it. We took the line made a loop in it and wrapped that loop around the winch drum 4 times and I began to crank while she held the line coming off the drum. Low and behold we were able to crank it up almost all the way. We had to have it up as when down we draw 5 feet of water and could not get the trailer out deep enough even with the extender we have use of. I didn't like the idea of motoring over to the trailer with the keel dragging along the bottom and then finding out that I was positioned badly to get winched up onto the trailer, and not being able to back up due to the keel wedging itself into the bottom on the rocks etc. I think we were very lucky :D. For the life of me I can not figure out how 3 cable clamps managed to loosen themselves enough for the cable to come undone though :eek:. Perhaps vibration on the cable while sailing or perhaps something more sinister. The bottom seemed pretty clean from what I saw but we do have some slime that has accumulated at the water line on the bow, so I guess the anti-fouling we used worked well enough. The swingger will come off this winter and also get painted with anti-fouling so hopefully no more barnicles growing on it. I now know were the water line is lol so will be doing the boot stripe this fall or next spring. The weathers been awful since I broke the mainsheet so haven't been out sailing since then :( and now the season is over sob,sob.

c_witch
 
Mar 2, 2011
489
Compac 14 Charleston, SC
I had a swing keel cable break on my old Mac 22 a few years back and simply backed the trailer in as deep as I could, then tied a bow line about 40' long to the trailer winch and cranked that bad boy up onto the trailer. Luckily the ramp was steep enough to get the boat that close in and use the trailer winch.

That was the last swing keel I ever owned!!! I grew tired of cable and winch issues and never really needed to beach the boat.

Sadly our first real cold blast hit last night down here in Kentucky where we sail. I expect we have another month of sailing weather before the sails come off our O'day 26.
 
Jan 14, 2011
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tanzer tanzer 28 bathurst nb
the swing keel is the feature i hate most about my boat, had to replace two cable and the whole keel....on an other note, i am in northern new brunswick and still in the water, migth even go sailing monday!à
 
Jan 10, 2011
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Macgregor 25 675 Lake Lanier
Who doesn't beach their boat?

How do you stop and find deserted beaches?

The swing keel worries me also. I have been talking to others who have shoal draft and wing keels.
I spoke to one guy who said the wing keel acts as an anchor if you ground the boat by accident.
 

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Jul 18, 2009
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marine clipper 21 ft santa ana Southern Lakes,Yukon
i beach my boat on occasion,more so i anchor,but any way so far in 5 years on my swing keel i have been lucky..i do inspect and replace if needed throughly before every season though,so far two cable replacements...
i removed my hand winch and install a 2 ton atv 12 volt winch and a fully charged deep cycle marine battery lasts me all season...the boat is still in the water by the way...lol..

the cable clamps should never have come loose c_witch..??..a person never saddles a dead horse.....were your saddles on the live side..??
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,584
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
I had a buddy with a Mac V21 and his cable broke. I took a tow strap (one of those with the ratchet action) and attached it across the jib winch drums and then under the boat forward of the keel. Then I just ratched it up until the keel was mostly up.
 
Oct 6, 2008
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Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
I've had 3 swing keel boats ranging in sizes of 22 to 26 feet and have never had an issue with that assembly. When I first bought each boat I dropped the keel and bushed or rebushed the keel blade, replaced the keel pin and replaced the cableing.
I have always raised the keel when not sailing and inspect the cable or line each spring. After 5 years I drop the keel assembly again for an inspection.
I have fould that if a person uses a keel puck like those sold by "Catalina Direct" it totally stops CB banging when anchored or moored if you leave the keel down. This stops most keel pin wear.
There are just too many very good trailer boats that have swing keels to let this issue stop a person from considering buying one.
Ray
 
Oct 26, 2005
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- - Satellite Beach, FL.
I had a cable break on my Catalina 22 the second day we owned her. I had the keel up as we were sailing down wind in shallow water and so the keel hit sand when the cable let go. I had no idea that the impact could have caused a lot of damage to the trunk until reading about this issue here on SBO. I was just lucky that the water was so shallow.
I got the keel up by looping a line around the lower end and winched it (alternating between the winches) up as far as I could. It was a hot day and the Indian River felt pretty good.
Don't think I'll have another boat where the ballast is in the swing keel but if I do, I'll replace that &^%* cable every year rather than risk the damage to the boat.
 
Sep 4, 2010
115
MacGregor Venture 25 Ocean Grove, Swansea MA
I had my cable break after going aground over a shoal - the keel swung up, and then came crashing down when we cleared it :doh::redface:. At the time, I was using the long-strap-on-the-trailer method for launching and retrieving (as opposed to a trailer tongue extender), so there was no way of just pulling the boat onto the trailer.

What I ended up doing was to pull the boat up the ramp, to the point where the keel was up most of the way (you could also beach it, but the keel might dig into the sand too much). Then I took the ratchet strap I use to hold the boat to the trailer, and slid it under the keel. After that, we just ratcheted it up, pushed the boat back out into the water, and pulled it on the trailer. Easy peasy lemon squeezy!:dance:
 
Dec 20, 2010
294
Yankee Condore 21 Halifax
Hiee All,

I did have the clamps on the right way u-bolts over the short side and they were tightened down. We did get the boat onto the trailer but not without a bit of work. There was a huge mass of muscles on the starboard side of the keel up close to the keel box so even with winching the keel did not go all the way up into the box and the rear of it was hanging the width of it below the bottom of the box or about 12 inches. Even when it is up all the way the keel box only clears the rear trailer frame by 3 inches. We basically ended up prying the bow up in the air and when it came down the stern raised up a bit and we were able to winch it forward another 4 or 5 inches till it finally cleared and was inside the trailer frame.

c_witch
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
LOL- you got off lucky. Had a San Juan 21 years ago that got the swing all covered with barnacles- had to go to a yard and have the thing hauled via travel lift so I could scrape it- would NOT go into keel slot.

NOT what I had a trailerable boat for!!!
 
Nov 19, 2011
1,489
MacGregor 26S Hampton, VA
Last fall, I moved my 1973 Clipper Marine CM26 from DC down the Potomac to the Kinsale area. It was a 3 day Journey over Halloween weekend and in the storm. I knew the cable was broken to the swing keel. It was cast iron, in the 600# range. Unfortunately I could not get it bolted down in place either and the swing keel beat the boat to death in head on 2x4'waves. I decided in late November that the only way to get the keel up was go for a swim. I purchased a new cable and a selection of stainless shackles. I dawned the wet suit, and took the plunge. I had to first feed the tail end of the new cable up through the hole of the pocket and get it started on the winch. I then had to swim down to the keel to clear the hole for the shackle. I attached the shackle to the cable eye and went down to hook it in. I thought at this point that I was an idiot for not having a spare shackle of the same size because it would be easy to drop the pin. I didn't so I finally got it attached. I went back on board and made the winch right and hoisted her up. I did have to scrape a few barnacles to make sure it went up smooth while I was under there.

The cable was a stainless cable designed to be a winch cable for the bow on a trailer. It worked great.

Chances are you'll need to go swimming. Really though, if you have scuba buddies, they will look for any opportunity to go in the water if you aren't comfortable with holding your breath for each step. I suggest swimming goggles and plan on peeling in the wet suit to get it warm. Also have someone there with a rope in the event you need help. Do it close to a dock with a ladder or where you can walk out otherwise. The water was in the high 50's and I would rather it was warmer than that unless I had a dry suit. Have warm clothes and blankets/towels handy for when you get out.

I now have a Mac with a water ballast and don't have to maintain a cable. I didn't like that if the cable ever broke, the forces on the front of the pocket will be tremendous and possibly cause leaks in the hull.
 

Timo42

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Mar 26, 2007
1,042
Venture 22 Marina del Rey
The clamps that you tighten with a wrench should only be used for a temporary repair, the right way is to use 2 copper ferrules and a thimble to prevent wear on the eye. The assembly is a wear item and has to be inspected.
 
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