the best 25 footer

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Jun 14, 2005
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Cal 20 Westport CT
Next season, I'm going to have a slip which will accommodate a boat up to 26 feet long (including outboard, bow pulpit, etc.). So I'm going to be in the market for a 25 footer. Since I'm cheap, probably a 20 year old boat. Any recommendations? Maybe a Columbia? Also: since I single hand, I'm thinking a fixed keel rather than a drop or swing. Do you agree?
 
Jun 7, 2007
875
Pearson- 323- Mobile,Al
Pacific SeaCraft 25

Something of a sea snail but very seaworthy. I believe that some of circumnavigated. My brother had one and loved it. There was one for sail in Mobile Alabama a few years ago. I talked to a guy from Colorado who had one for sell with a trailer for about 30K. He said that he had sailed it from California to Chile. But then again a Macgregor 25 is a lot cheaper.
 
Jun 3, 2004
309
Prindle 18, beach catamaran Chicago (North Edgebrook), IL
Swing keel or not

I single hand my Mac25, which I keep in a slip. The swing keel is not an issue at all.
 
May 31, 2004
858
Catalina 28 Branford
"Best" is relative

There are a lot of 25 foot boats out there, many can be had for $5000 to $9000. It would be easier to make recommendations if we knew more about your intended uses. Daysail or cruise? Need good cooking facilities? Standing headroom? Since you are in Westport, I am assuming you will be sailing in Long Island Sound; but do you want to trailer the boat? I don't get the connection between single handing and the type of keel, so maybe you could expand a bit on that too. In any case, the "best" 25 footer is relative to what you will use it for. Regardless, I think the best "cheap" (one of your stated goals) all-around 25 footer is the Catalina 25 (pop top model). You can get one in good shape that is about 20-25 years old for less than $10,000. I prefer the dinette layout option below, although many were built with the table on the centerline. Standing headroom with the pop-top, decent galley, good sized cockpit, supported by a manufacturer that is still in business, active owner's association, nice sailer; an excellent value. Available in fin keel (my preference) or swing keel models. A close second: the Oday 25. No pop top, but the galley slides out of the way under the cockpit seats, leaving a wide open cabin. In contrast to the Catalina, the Oday has a stub keel/centerboard configuration. I think this is the best of both worlds: encapsulated, protected ballast, very shallow draft with the board up, and good sailing qualities with the board down. Unlike the Catalina swing keels (where the ballast is actually in the swinging part of the keel), the Oday centerboard is "light" and is controlled with just a pendent line; no winches, no sweating, no problem. And a big plus for the Admiral: the head on the Oday is behind an actual door. In the Catalina, its behind a folding screen. The Oday has the added advantage of usually being less expensive (all other things being equal). You mention Columbia as an option. Any Columbia is bound to be an older boat, with all that entails. They are pretty, but even fiberglass ages, and the older the boat, the more that will need replacing. There are many owners who take great care of their boats, replacing and maintaing equipment as they age. However, in my humble experience, this happens less frequently on the less expensive (smaller) models. Be careful with old, small boats as they frequently suffer from what I will charitably call deferred maintenance. I am not that familar with the Columbia line of boats, but I do know that the Columbia 24 was a full keel model. LIS is known for its light winds, and I would shy away from full keel boats for that reason. I know there was a Columbia 26 (more than one flavor too I think), but I can't recall ever hearing about a 25 footer. With more info on your preferences, maybe someone can give you some better guidance. One general piece of advice: when buying a smaller boat, all future purchases and expenses will be an inordinately high percentage of the intial purchase price (you may spend as much on new sails as on the boat itself, and just try buying new interior cushions!). Because of this, the initial condition of the boat should be very high on your list of priorities. Good luck!
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
In a smaller boat

Even in a smaller boat, your intended usage should play a big factor in your decisions. There are areas of the country where a swing keel would be a blessing. Some areas of S.Fla. come to mind. A swing keel allows lots of very easy shore excursions. You height and the interior of the boat should be considered, as no one enjoys having to stoop all the time. Lots of experience with that one. Do you plan on just day sailing, or venturing farther from home later. Is this going to be a long term ownership or a stepping stone to a larger boat at some later date? Storage should be a major consideration, particularly on a smaller boat.Many years ago I owned a swing keel Chrysler 22. That is what I learned to sail on, and it took a beating and kept on ticking. But it was pretty limited in the amount of supplies I could carry, but it let me really explore S.Texas, and go places that I can no longer even consider. So, read the replys and suggestions from the members here, do your homework, and find a boat that will suit you and your needs.
 
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Chuck R

Just a touch of the old.

Yet modern.. This boat took my breath away.....
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
A good 25 footer

Cape Dory made excellent boats. Traditional and solid. http://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats99capedory.html
 
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Cap'n Ron

A Rolls Royce or a knockaround?

Pacific Seacraft is at the very top, but for that kinda $ you can end up with bigger boat. I personally would never go for another 'swing keel' a Macgregor or any other 1/2 way sailing vessel. Islander 24 is not a pretty yacht but they hold up, sail reasonably well, and can be had for less than 2K. A good little vessel is a FREEDOM 25 if you can find one. No more rigging problems....;-) Aye mates
 
Apr 19, 1999
1,670
Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
Good call, Higgs

The Cape Dory 25D is one of John Vigor's 20 small boats that can take you anywhere. However, the 25D is not the same boat as the 25. The 25D has an inboard diesel (hence the "D") while the CD25 is outboard-powered. The CD 25D also has a full head in the forepeak instead of a V-berth. Here's a link: http://www.capedory.org/specs/cd25d.htm Peter H23 "Raven"
 
Jun 3, 2004
730
Catalina 250 Wing Keel Eugene, OR
Hello! Catalina 25

I have a Catalina 250 but they didn't make them 20 years ago. They did, however, make the Catalina 25 and it is a terrific boat. Plus the manufacturer is still around, there are lots of parts available, and there is a very active Association with a very good forum. All of these things will matter a lot to a new sailor.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Agree with nauti

Based on price and performance not to mention resale value, the Catalina 25 is your best bet. Definitely get the fin keel. I am former owner of Catalina 25. Loved it so much in the Gulf for coastal cruising, when I upgraded there was no other choice but a Catalina 30. Tony B
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Make a list

I recently bought a new boat. One of the best pieces of advice I received after the major disappointment of my first choice flunking survey was to make a simple list of what I was looking for in a boat. It helped me to identify other makes and models as it focused me on what I was really looking for. Ironically, cost, which was initially a primary concern, took a back seat to condition. After my first failure, my Wife helped me realize that spending to buy a boat in better initial shape would perhaps be cheaper in the long run. I just sold a Lancer 25, so I think I can offer some insight into boats in that size range and things you may or may not need to focus on. In this size range, you could in fact trailer a boat, resulting in a significant cost savings. There are a number of wing keeled or stub keeled boats in the age / size range you are considering, but of course performance upwind will suffer. Do you want an inboard or an outboard? It is convenient to be able to remove an outboard for storage or service. It is also much simpler to upgrade the outboard on an older boat if you wish to have greater reliability. The downside is of course noise and decreased range if you plan to cruise. On that note. Do you plan to mostly day sail, day sail with frequent overnights, or truly cruise? This decision will influence the importance of cockpit size, head room, etc...etc...etc... How long do you plan to keep the boat? I know this is tough to say up front, but it is helpful when thinking about cost. I bought my new boat for more money than I initially wanted to spend, but I plan to keep it for 5-10 years. During that period, if I had bought less boat, I'd end up paying full retail for new sails, perhaps a new autopilot, lazy jacks, a furler...etc...which are all new or recent on the boat I will now pay $50 more a month for over the cheaper boat. Will you finance the boat? There are tax advantages to doing so, but there are limitations as well. When looking into loans, it seemed to me that it is only advantageous to finance if you will finance over $10,000. Above that level you start getting reasonable interest rates. Below that, you might as well put it on a credit card. Also, a consideration for the boat becomes whether or not it meets the fairly minimal IRS rules allowing you to deduct it as a vacation home. After taxes my $200/month is now down to about $120/month...and I will hopefully be sailing rather than fixing a fixer upper. Of course it is dependent on you own personal situation and this suited mine. Off the soap box. I guess, given my recent experiences with my Lancer 25, if I were looking for a cheap boat in that size range again, personally my opinion is that the cost of the boat soon becomes immaterial given the fixed costs of annual storage ($60/ft up here). I would definitely look to keep costs down by buying a boat with a trailer...which will severely limit the number of candidates out there...or plan to purchase a trailer as a part of the boat purchase. Used trailers for boats in this size-range are nigh non-existent and will require modification. New ones are roughly $5000. Greater savings can be realized if you can actually launch and retrieve your 2 footer, but it requires a more expensive trailer with a tongue extension, a good ramp, probably a full tide and the ability to drop and raise a fairly significant mast yourself. I have a friend who races a lot and his cheap boat of choice is an O'day 25 with a fixed keel. It is bigger than most down below and is a good performer. The fin version is pretty rare to boot. However, the swing keel is a good performer and is more easily trailerable. Regarding the Lancer 25, due to its stub keel, it too is in theory trailerable. However, my own personal opinion is that its main features are its extreme cheapness (many can be found for under $3000) and large cockpit for daysailing. Fit and finish are okay, but the cabin is extremely small and sailing performance is minimal, especially in light air(PHRF is something like 280). Good Luck, Bob
 
Jan 11, 2007
294
Columbia 28 Sarasota
just keep you eyes open...

I have never sailed a columbia, nice looking. I sail an Oday 25 swing keel. On this boat the keel is not a concern while single handing. The pendant is cleated off in the cockpit. The board is not weighted (much) and can be lowered and raised in a matter of seconds. The boat performs quite well on all points of sail even with the board up. This is thanks to the heavy stub keel. I have to remember to put the board down when sailing. Keep in mind I mainly sail in Tampa Bay and we have more than our share of shallow spots with limited water visibility. Anyway, there are a ton of boats out there that will fit your bill. There is a sweet 25 cape dory for sail down here that I have been coveting. It really is a looker and for 2500, it's almost to sweet of a deal to pass up. Just me thoughts. Ross in Tampa
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
boat in the 25' range another opinion

Your on long island sound. Deep water. Get a boat with a fixed deep keel if you want good sailing performance. Those shallow draft, swing keel, keel cb boats are for shallow water. If you want to trailer the boat home at the end of the season you can put a full keel boat on a trailer with a travel lift. either buy a boat that comes with a trailer thats what I did. Or you can modify a flat bed and build a cradle on it to fit. Forget about finding a used trailer to fit the boat. They are few and far between. A new one would cost more than the boat. There are many good older boats out there today in the $5000 range. Pearson, Cal, C&C, Islander, Bristol, Cape dory, S2 Erickson to name a few. Get a survey before you buy. If your looking for a trailer sailer namely a boat you can launch of a ramp that would be a different discussion. Bffatcat: 1975 Pearson26W #76 Whitecap Marblehead MA
 
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