Okay folks, It's oil change time down here on Lake Travis, and I am saddled with the task of removing oil from my C-27's ATOMIC 4 inboard. I am looking for the best possible method for removing oil through the dipstick hole. A few notes for clarity: 1. The dipstick hole will accomodate a 1/4" diameter tube to suck out oil. 2. The engine is mounted at appoximately 20 degrees (which is five more than the owner's manual calls for) and the dipstick port is directly above the lowest part of the oil pan - a plus. 3. The oil pan drain plug is forward, at one of the highest points of the oil pan, and therefore not a good drain point. What I am looking for is an solid, dependable and clean extraction method. I used a drill pump attached to my 18V cordless drill, but the impeller on the pump burned out before the oil could make it to the pump itself. Not so bad, because the drill pump only cost about 10 bucks. I looked for a larger pump - found one at Home Depot for about 60 bucks, but it seemed to have a similar impeller design to the drill pump and could not be run dry. So, I am looking for an alternative method that is quick, easy, and of course environmentally friendly. I will be draining the oil into a conventional auto catch pan (10 quart capacity). LaDonna - I am counting on you! Thanks folks - and for those of you up North, don't feel bad - it's 28 degrees down here today. Rob Rich 1979 Catalina 27
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Hi Bob: I have had very good luck using the Jabsco manual hand pump available from any West Marine or similiar store. I have to drain my Universal M25XP out of the dip stick hole and it works well. I have not been happy with the drill attached pumps. Good luck, Dave S/V Westwind
Hi Bob: I have had very good luck using the Jabsco manual hand pump available from any West Marine or similiar store. I have to drain my Universal M25XP out of the dip stick hole and it works well. I have not been happy with the drill attached pumps. Good luck, Dave S/V Westwind
Jabsco Pump
I agree with Dave the Jabsco pump seems to work well for a thru the dipstick pump out. Although do it with the oil HOT or it will be a real tuff job. Learned from experience of moving cold oil during a 30 degree day it took forever, hot I was done in five minutes.
I agree with Dave the Jabsco pump seems to work well for a thru the dipstick pump out. Although do it with the oil HOT or it will be a real tuff job. Learned from experience of moving cold oil during a 30 degree day it took forever, hot I was done in five minutes.
Drain hot, but don't burn yourself
Rob, I have used the same Jabsco hand pump that the previous two have mentioned. It works very well. I have used it with my A4 in my '69 Morgan and continue to use it today for my Volvo Penta auxillary and Westerbeke generator. Three suggestions: First, wrap the metal body of the pump with a piece of a towel because the hot oil will heat the metal body of the pump to the point that you can't hold it. Second, put the drain hose directly into a disposable gallon jug (maybe you need two of them for your capacity). That way you don't have to pour the oil out of a pan into a container. That operation invites disaster. Third, take the time to clamp the inlet and outlet hoses to the pump. The hot oil tends to encourage the hoses to slip off and that causes spillage. Work on top of an old towel and have extra paper towels and a plastic bag to dispose of them handy. Have another plastic bag to put the pump into after use will keep the job clean. Rich
Rob, I have used the same Jabsco hand pump that the previous two have mentioned. It works very well. I have used it with my A4 in my '69 Morgan and continue to use it today for my Volvo Penta auxillary and Westerbeke generator. Three suggestions: First, wrap the metal body of the pump with a piece of a towel because the hot oil will heat the metal body of the pump to the point that you can't hold it. Second, put the drain hose directly into a disposable gallon jug (maybe you need two of them for your capacity). That way you don't have to pour the oil out of a pan into a container. That operation invites disaster. Third, take the time to clamp the inlet and outlet hoses to the pump. The hot oil tends to encourage the hoses to slip off and that causes spillage. Work on top of an old towel and have extra paper towels and a plastic bag to dispose of them handy. Have another plastic bag to put the pump into after use will keep the job clean. Rich
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Rob, Hey bud, I use a cheap manual hand pump I bought from West Marine on sale.....for about $29 (I think)......It creates a siphon (sp?) and drains itself into its own catch container (which is easily taken to a oil change place for disposal in their drums). The line easily snakes into the dip stick hole and is long enough for you to sit on you starboard settee with the pump at your feet. I find it pretty easy. Sean
Rob, Hey bud, I use a cheap manual hand pump I bought from West Marine on sale.....for about $29 (I think)......It creates a siphon (sp?) and drains itself into its own catch container (which is easily taken to a oil change place for disposal in their drums). The line easily snakes into the dip stick hole and is long enough for you to sit on you starboard settee with the pump at your feet. I find it pretty easy. Sean
Ditto Sean's Response: think vacuum pump..
I tried just about everything and found the Jabsco pump to be too messy for my taste. Of course, it could have been operator error. Anyway, the vacuum pump works really well and IMHO isn't nearly as much of a pain to clean up and use for disposal. Good luck. Rick D.
I tried just about everything and found the Jabsco pump to be too messy for my taste. Of course, it could have been operator error. Anyway, the vacuum pump works really well and IMHO isn't nearly as much of a pain to clean up and use for disposal. Good luck. Rick D.
Double ditto
The Vacuum Pump works great and is about a clean a way as you're likely to find. Now if they only had a way to suck the oil out of the filter... Jim "ProspecT"
The Vacuum Pump works great and is about a clean a way as you're likely to find. Now if they only had a way to suck the oil out of the filter... Jim "ProspecT"
Drill will work, but prefer vacuum pump.
Recently drained 30 gallons of diesel using the drill pump. Trick was to first prime by filling input hose with oil. But the self-contained vacuum pump is my choice for sucking out the WARM oil from the Yanmar. Just make sure the hose is not flat against the bottom. Maybe cut a slight angle?
Recently drained 30 gallons of diesel using the drill pump. Trick was to first prime by filling input hose with oil. But the self-contained vacuum pump is my choice for sucking out the WARM oil from the Yanmar. Just make sure the hose is not flat against the bottom. Maybe cut a slight angle?
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Okay folks, here's the result. I decided to go with a manual oil pump in order to keep problems and cost to a minimum. Went to West Marine and checked out several models, ended up going with "The Oil Boy" made by Tempo. Cost: 44 dollars. What a super cool device. I was thoroughly impressed. The unit is a 5 quart upright cylinder with a large T handle. You take one of two included hoses (1/4 and 5/16) and stick one end in your dipstick hole, and the other to the extractor hose of the Oil Boy. Give it about 5-10 pumps and then just sit back and watch it go. It builds up vacuum pressure and continues to drain the oil as you lounge on the settee. My kind of device. The only minor leakage occurred when I removed the hose, and it was pretty much my ham-handed fault. As a matter of fact, it was so easy to do, I did it twice to dilute and clean out the extra quart of oil that remains in the oil delivery system of the Atomic Four during an oil change. My only dilemma now is that the oil is so clear it is hard to read on the dipstick - definitely a good problem to have. I would highly recommend this device if you are obsessed with having a clean and dependable engine. Happy New Year - Rob
Okay folks, here's the result. I decided to go with a manual oil pump in order to keep problems and cost to a minimum. Went to West Marine and checked out several models, ended up going with "The Oil Boy" made by Tempo. Cost: 44 dollars. What a super cool device. I was thoroughly impressed. The unit is a 5 quart upright cylinder with a large T handle. You take one of two included hoses (1/4 and 5/16) and stick one end in your dipstick hole, and the other to the extractor hose of the Oil Boy. Give it about 5-10 pumps and then just sit back and watch it go. It builds up vacuum pressure and continues to drain the oil as you lounge on the settee. My kind of device. The only minor leakage occurred when I removed the hose, and it was pretty much my ham-handed fault. As a matter of fact, it was so easy to do, I did it twice to dilute and clean out the extra quart of oil that remains in the oil delivery system of the Atomic Four during an oil change. My only dilemma now is that the oil is so clear it is hard to read on the dipstick - definitely a good problem to have. I would highly recommend this device if you are obsessed with having a clean and dependable engine. Happy New Year - Rob
Oily to rise
The previous owner of my Hunter 33 was kind enough to leave on board, among other things, a nifty little 12 volt pump that looks a little bit like a "Symbol" brand "gun grip style bar code reader you'd see at Home Depot checkout. The pump, based on the noise it makes is a gear to gear so it doesn't burn itself out trying to prime. Clip on to a battery, stick the metal tube down the dipstick hole, stick the outlet tube in a 2 liter coke bottle, slide the switch and let her whine till there's no more oil. I've seen the same pump in J. C. Whitney for about $20.00. How could you go wrong?
The previous owner of my Hunter 33 was kind enough to leave on board, among other things, a nifty little 12 volt pump that looks a little bit like a "Symbol" brand "gun grip style bar code reader you'd see at Home Depot checkout. The pump, based on the noise it makes is a gear to gear so it doesn't burn itself out trying to prime. Clip on to a battery, stick the metal tube down the dipstick hole, stick the outlet tube in a 2 liter coke bottle, slide the switch and let her whine till there's no more oil. I've seen the same pump in J. C. Whitney for about $20.00. How could you go wrong?
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