Teak toe rail refinishing

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Aug 9, 2006
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Oday 34 La Salle, Mi
I have an Oday 34. I Need to refinish the teak toe rail I am looking for some ideas. Last season as I was running out of time i stripped what was left of the old finish and gave it a few coats of oil. It would be a job to sand, mask and then varnish. Any ideas would be great or is oil good enough? The rest of the teak on the boat is finished with captians varnish.

Thanks for any help
 
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Oct 30, 2011
542
klidescope 30t norfolk
You can go either way oil every / twice a year varnish every 5 yrs ore Cetol every 10 or last option leave and let gray teak is supposed to last a long time even untreated it has natural oils in it that give it a 50+ life span
 
Oct 26, 2005
2,057
- - Satellite Beach, FL.
I've started using epoxy resin and following with spar urethane for UV protection. It has held up perfectly on my tiller but I keep it covered so that's not much of a test. The rest of my trim is manmade deck lumber.
On uncovered trim, the UV protection, either varnish or urethane will degrade and need sanding and recoating and the epoxy is there to keep the wood from degrading.
 

Pat

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Jun 7, 2004
1,250
Oday 272LE Ninnescah Yacht Club, Wichita, Ks.
I have an Oday 34. I Need to refinish the teak toe rail I am looking for some ideas. Last season as I was running out of time i stripped what was left of the old finish and gave it a few coats of oil. It would be a job to sand, mask and then varnish. Any ideas would be great or is oil good enough? The rest of the teak on the boat is finished with captians varnish.

Thanks for any help
We live in Kansas where we've had 50 or more days above 100 for the past two years, so nothing lasts long...we have ended up using teak oil after basically sanding the teak away...Cetol here seems to last maybe 3/4ths a season in the bright sun...but looks great as does varnish...We have several boats at our club with synthetic wood and honestly it looks great & seems to
hold up longer...as I think about it we've been in this LE 26 years and there is little toe rail left...too bad as they look great but are not easy to care for.
Pat
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,903
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
pcj,

It really all depends on what YOU want to see on YOUR boat, and how much "work" you want to put into it.

There are only three different options:

1. bare wood, let it go gray

2. oil - which needs to be redone periodically or it will go black

3. coatings: Cetol, varnish or other types.

Your boat, your choice.

Heresy 101: you don't have to have your toe rails the same as the rest of your brightwork.
 

Tejas

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Dec 15, 2010
164
Beneteau First 36.7 Lake Travis
Depending upon how things are counted, a fourth way is sealer. We on an inland lake in texas and use Semco Cleartone sealer. We seal (sand very lightly, tape, wipe on two coats with a rag) once a year, have Sunbrella toe rail covers and mist occasionally with white vinegar to prevent mildew.
 

Ducati

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Nov 19, 2008
380
Boatless Boatless Annapolis
Pick Stu's Option #1

I agree with Stu's #1 suggestion.

There are only three different options: - #1. bare wood, let it go gray

Worked best for me on my boat:
Sand it down smooth and wash it once a week and let it go grey.
(Salt water rinse works best)

That way you can spend more time sailing and less time doing brightwork.

Have fun!
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Discussing finishes is much of a kind of discussing religion, that said, I posted most of the following on a another site recently and hope you find it helpful.

I prefer an oil finish as a mater of personal choice. Varnish is georgeous and I admire it on other skipper's boats. However, but would rather spend my time sailing rather than spend the time it takes to get it both right and durable. When I see that easy, durable finish so favored by so many and so instantly recognizable from so great a distance...I tend to get a mental picture of portraits of dogs playing poker painted on velvet...happy for you, just not my style.

I'm going to put on my 'wood butcher' hat and share some 'old school'
information about oil finishes.

A lot of teak oil sold today is of low quality and produces inferior
results...this leads to poor performance which, in turn, leads folks to
purchase other easy to use products which though more durable, are
often inferior in appearance.

Good teak oil is often expensive when purchased in marine stores, so most
people will opt for the cheap stuff which has a low percentage of solids
and may not have any UV protection added at all.

The way oil finishes work is that they contain resins (solids) and
solvents. The solvents allow the resins to be applied easily and to
penetrate the wood fibers. When the solvents evaporate, the resins harden
leaving a smooth and relatively durable finish.

It initially takes several applications, drying between coats, to build up
a good finish. Since cheap finishes contain a higher percentage of solvents
to hit a lower price point, it takes many more coats to obtain the same
quality finish as the better products...oops...that actually makes the
cheap stuff more expensive.

To make matters more confusing, there are better quality brands that are
cheaper than some of the more expensive brands (that are actually just
'cheap stuff'' priced high). Well labeled products will have the percentage
of solids on the label. However, it is pretty easy to compare products that
are packaged in clear bottles. Shake the products enough to produce some
bubbles and you can readily see the difference in viscosity. The products
with thicker fluids will have a higher solids content.

Clean your teak thoroughly. Skip the expensive teak cleaners and use a
household cleaner containing Oxalic acid. This is a strong organic acid
that is a common ingredient in wood bleaches and which does not harm the
wood fibers, (also a great rust and tarnish remover as well). Zud,
Bartenders Friend and Kaboom all work well. Rinse well will fresh water and
let dry thoroughly. Sand smooth if the grain is severely weathered as the
grooves trap dirt. Do not use anything finer than 120 grit sanpaper
as finer grits will close up the wood pores and reduce the penetration of
the finish.

To maintain the finish, wash frequently with mild soap and water and
when the finish starts to fade, apply a fresh coat of oil. This usually
means recoating at least twice a year and quarterly would be best...it is
pretty easy to apply a freshening coat when you maintain it rather than let
it go. If you have any teak attached to Fiberglas, wax the glass or tape it before
applying your teak oil and any spills will clean right up.

Now, if you're really cheap or simply want a better product, make your own
teak oil.

Recipe = mix equal parts 1.1.1.

High solids tung oil
Spar varnish (containing UV inhibitors)
Boiled Linseed oil

You can purchase all of these ingredients inexpensively in the paint
department of any big box store.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,808
Ericson 29 Southport..
Dalys. There really is no other teak oils worth fooling with. It's a process to do it right, with a higher varnish content, but worth it. I ordered a gallon recently from the company at 53 dollars a gallon, (but 25 to ship it). I use it on interiors mostly. It's a good prep oil for the beginning of the truly beautiful varnish job on exteriors, and I use no other.
Bear in mind that I am one of the pathological varnishers that believe that nothing less than ten coats of Schooner is a waste of time, and I do this work commonly. But do I recommend this to the average boater? Maybe not. Simply because it takes a great amount of enthusiasm to undertake this kind of work. There have been great volumes written about the art of varnishing, and I won't begin to try here. But if you want that truly beautiful boat, with gleaming brightworks, it is an odyssey. It takes time, dedication, money, and sweating blood to get it right. I've shed tears, and lost sleep doing this. Family mad. People walking by on the docks shaking their heads.
But the end result is standing proud on a completed project. The other sailors asking, "How do you do it?".
Not by standing on the afterdeck drinking margaritas I assure you.
While everything else is second rate IN MY OPINION, it will set you apart from the average.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
If you want something that has the equivalent gloss of varnish, lasts for 10-12+ years with simple 'maintenance', can be powerbuffed between quick 'maintenance' clear coats (every 2-3 years in northern climates) ... Id suggest Honey Teak a 2 part base coat with a 2 part clear coat.

Honey Teak is EXPENSIVE but when you amortize over its service life, it comes out being the cheapest of all. The only requirement is that it has to be be applied THICK for the initial base coats and it has a HIGH learning curve. www.signaturefinish.com

This is what 12 year old Honey Teak looks like, with only maintenance coats applied at 2-3 year intervals: http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/svAquila/HT1.jpg http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j449/svAquila/HT2.jpg, This is burmese teak so you have to understand the 'dark' color unlike 'plantation teak'.
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
3,198
1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
i keep mine fairly natural--no, not silver or grey, but natural colored, washed clean with sea water then oiled with a tung oil finish or watco, which will last me as long a sneeded for sailing season, renewed easily with a washing with sea water, and application of oil finish just before rainy season begins.
so far, has taken 6 hours, yearly, to maintain.
the ingredients on my label for the oil finish are the oil and mineral spirits. period.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Dalys. There really is no other teak oils worth fooling with. It's a process to do it right, with a higher varnish content, but worth it. I ordered a gallon recently from the company at 53 dollars a gallon, (but 25 to ship it). I use it on interiors mostly. It's a good prep oil for the beginning of the truly beautiful varnish job on exteriors, and I use no other.
Bear in mind that I am one of the pathological varnishers that believe that nothing less than ten coats of Schooner is a waste of time, and I do this work commonly. But do I recommend this to the average boater? Maybe not. Simply because it takes a great amount of enthusiasm to undertake this kind of work. There have been great volumes written about the art of varnishing, and I won't begin to try here. But if you want that truly beautiful boat, with gleaming brightworks, it is an odyssey. It takes time, dedication, money, and sweating blood to get it right. I've shed tears, and lost sleep doing this. Family mad. People walking by on the docks shaking their heads.
But the end result is standing proud on a completed project. The other sailors asking, "How do you do it?".
Not by standing on the afterdeck drinking margaritas I assure you.
While everything else is second rate IN MY OPINION, it will set you apart from the average.
If you select an oil finish, I suggest using a 'resinated' oil such as "NuTeak" by MaryKate ... gives you several 'options'.
A 'resinated' oil finish is typically straight oil with the addition of 25-30% of oil based varnish! Since its basically an oil finish, you will have NO problems in removing it - simply soak with TSP to lift, bubble and soften it, scrape it, bleach the wood, and re-apply.
Downside is since it is an 'oil finish', it will eventually turn 'dark' - but easily removable with TSP.

Resinated oils can be either-
1. applied and 'wiped' - but like all 'wiped' oils dont last very long.
2. applied in many THICK coats (no wiping), then after the oil 'cures' - flat-sanded and 'finished' ('polished' by hand-rubbing with rottenstone + water) to arrive at a gloss equal to or BETTER than the best high quality varnish job youve ever seen. Downside is that takes a long time for resinated oils to 'harden'.

If you can locate some of the 'newer' nano-technology UV 'filters', you might want to experiment by adding some to the resinated oil ... should greatly lessen the gradual 'darkening' of the resinated oil finish. Such nano-tech UV filters will usually initially result in a 'butter-scotch' colored 'hue', but will soon fade to 'amber' in a few weeks.

Best of all, oil and resinated-oil finishes are 'easily removable' by soaking with TriSodiumPhosphate - TSP.
 
Oct 1, 2007
1,865
Boston Whaler Super Sport Pt. Judith
From my experience on my Pearson 39 for 23 years I can say that toe rails are the most difficult brightwork on the boat to maintain any finish for any period of time. Toe rails are subject to flexing as the yacht heels to the breeze while sailing, and flexes in a seaway. Any "rigid" finish such as varnish or epoxy will eventually develop cracks which allow water infiltration and deterioration of the finish resulting in the dreaded yellow or black streaks and spots. After a number of years of trying to make varnish work, sanding and refinishing, I went to Cetol and it held up the best. Another important point is that it is critical that the toe rail is fitted snugly to the deck to prevent water from infiltrating the wood from beneath, which will destroy the varnish. Finally, most toe rails have "fishes" or joints where sections of wood have been joined. These also must be tight to prevent water intrusion. Very difficult challenge but well worth it to see bright gleaming toe rails.
 
Aug 9, 2006
96
Oday 34 La Salle, Mi
Thank You All

Thanks All. I think with the list of things I have to do to the boat this year I will just oil the toe rail this year. in the future when I have time I will go with a two part finish.

Thanks Again
Pat
TBM LaSalle Mi
 
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