Teaching admiral to sail - need HELP PLEASE

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Mar 16, 2009
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2 260 Lake Pleasant
My admiral has decided that she wants to take the helm. Whereas I am pleased and excited she has taken an interest.. it is probably one of the most challenging experiences I have dealt with.

She is a good crew person with a good understanding of sailing terminology, handling the jib sheets, lowering and raising the sails and anchoring. We have covered the emergency basics of lufting, lowering the the sails, radio use, starting and use of the motor, etc. I am looking for advice on how you have taught your admirals to take control of the helm while under sail.

I did look into classes with the local clubs, but in AZ they have shut down for the summer due to the AZ heat. Private lessons at $100/hour are out of our budget range at this time.

Our boat is a Hunter 260, tiller steering with a jib furler. We sail in a good size inland lake (8 miles by 2 miles) however it is crowed with many large go fast boats and power cruisers chopping up the water. Wind conditions are very variable and change direction frequently, requiring frequent sail trim and course corrections. A lot for a new captain to take in. We both work during the week so weekday sailing has not been an option.

First time out was a disaster ending up with a very quite day of no conversation...my mistake I am sure.

Second time no sails, we focused on motor controls and steering while motoring. It allowed her to get use to the tiller and the feel of the boat under power. That seems to work well except for the panic attacks when the power boats start buzzing about. (A few caught quite an earful from her as they passed by, it was hard not to laugh seeing this mild manor women let it all out.) It improved and became much more relaxed with her sitting in the cat bird seats and steering with the tiller extension by days end.

She is a teacher by profession so she has dived into the sailing books and videos which have helped on the basics concepts and theory but in some cases have created confusion in trying to be overly simplified.

This weekend, time to move back to sail power. She is looking for the step 1,2,3 approach to sailing.

I struggle with trying to break down and verbalize all the factors that fall into the category of "feel" for the boat" reading the wind, position on the water, awareness of other boats, speed/direction, etc. and translating all that into viable and teachable instructions frustrating us both.

Our plan is an early start as we generally have light and consistant early morning wind, so we can get some time in before the weekend power boat crowds start showing up.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Tim
 

caguy

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Sep 22, 2006
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Catalina, Luger C-27, Adventure 30 Marina del Rey
First time out was a disaster ending up with a very quite day of no conversation...my mistake I am sure.
First off it is always your mistake, that is a given. Secondly keep in mind the old axiom. ''do you want to be right or be happy''. Thirdly you may want to reflect back on how long it took you to get the ''feel'' of the boat and get past just the basic logistics. Fourthly there is no back seat in a cockpit, so just sit back, shut up and enjoy the ride, she will learn by her errors. If a really emergency comes up :eek:, you can always muscle the tiller away from her.
I only wish that my wife took an interest in wanting to learn.
 
Jun 5, 2004
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Since she seems to be comfortable under power, you might remind her that the driver's tasks don't change significantly with the source of propulsion. Either way you have to steer, know where you're going and keep aware of what's happening around you. The big difference is awareness of the wind direction and strength, with tactical planning for upwind sailing. A lesser but important difference is the right of way rules. Make sure you have know them cold, ask her if she wants a review, then hold your peace unless she asks. On a practical level, go with just one sail for a while. I'd suggest the main since that will give her a better all around view than a headsail might. Let her decide she's bored with just one sail rather than pushing it. Let her make mistakes and ask questions. You'll have to decide whether her personality works better (less likely to become impatient/angry with you) with direct answers or partial answers that help her find the full answer herself. To reiterate and emphasize: LET HER MAKE HER OWN MISTAKES, JUST LIKE SHE LET YOU. Life will more peaceful and much happier.
Good luck.
Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
 
Sep 29, 2008
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Catalina 320 Buffalo
I found teaching the Admiral was more than I was willing to undertake (& I teach sailing at a school) . Consider taking a "sailing vacation" at one of the sailing schools and leave the teaching to a 'professional". Several schools offer live aboard lessons. We originally took lessons in Maine. 3 hours each day on the water & the rest of the day was spent playing tourist (read shopping) Great experience.

Capt Chuck
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Mar 16, 2009
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2 260 Lake Pleasant
Thank all for the comments and suggestions. It is good to see that this is a bit of a challenge for all. We are heading out o the lake and will put the comments to good use.

We have looked in to the sailing vacation/schools as an option and are pursuing that as a family.

Thanks again.

Tim
 

timvg

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May 10, 2004
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Just keep doing it. You've got a good size boat for her to practice her skills on.

We have a 40 foot sailboat and before we had autopilot, I wouldn't have been able to use the head if she couldn't steer the boat. My wife docks the boat most of the time. She started doing this after she had back surgery. as jumping off of a 40 foot boat didn't seem to go along with her physical therapy. When we anchor, she's at the helm as we go thru the setting process. We developed hand signals for forward, reverse, and nuetral.

And let her make mistakes. It's only fair, since we guys continue to make our fair share of goof-ups.
 
Sep 29, 2008
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Catalina 320 Buffalo
Tim make a great point. I tell all my students that getting the Admiral to dock the boat is a good idea. It is much easier for me to step off the boat and manhandle it into position than having my spouse do it.

Capt Chuck
USCG Master
 
Mar 16, 2009
64
2 260 Lake Pleasant
Report on progress:

I used many of the suggestions posted and by the end of the day we had nice 10 - 15 mph winds and she was in control telling me to trim the jib, and she was setting the main sail trim, correctly. The best comment of the day was "I get what you mean by feel now and I am not thinking about the mechanics" or how about "I get it the tiller is my steering wheel and the mainsheet and course is the gas pedal" I think she is getting it.

What was the best part for me was watchiing her face, smile and seeing the feeling of accomplishments" as they say in the ad ...something money can not buy.

Details oof the day....

The weather gods were with us. We spent the night on the hook and were up early. She suggested we skip breakfast and get to sailing. A nice steady 5-8 mph wind was blowing so off we went.

Mainsail first as suggested. The suggestion of make a small point...shut up and let her asked worked great. She was talking to herself sometimes wrong sometimes right but by keeping quiet...allowing her to make a mistake and see the results was worth more than any words I could have offered...and she learned.

She would ask if something was the right move and if it was not dangerous I just said lets try and see you are the skipper. The ones that were right worked and the ones that were wrong worked as a teaching aid so all were essentially the "right move" for our objective.

After a short while with the main she asked does'nt this boat go faster. Up went the jib on her command. Boat heeled and took off as the winds were now in the 10 plus range. A few screams them comfort with the 15 degree heel.

She started watching the speed and making adjustments in the sails and course direction to find the fastest SOG. She top at 6 knts in 15 mph winds.

Next was sailing to varous marks. At first she would oversteer when coming about and we did do a nice 360 one time. She learned quickly the "feel" and balancing sailing to weather to make a mark. We only had one hard jibe on a downwind run as she was not watching her direction. That which was another great learning experience as nothing broke but it was exciting. Another memorable quote "that was not my fault the wind just shifted" I know I have used that one before.

She learned about thinking ahead by getting caught to tight to shore and lost her wind.

We were able to cover right of way. With it being such a nice sailing day there were plenty of racers out practicing and sailing close.

By early afternoon I had not touched the tiller and she had been sailing all over the lake for 6 hours on a 100 plus degree day. She had handled the boat on all points except wing to wing which is hard to hold on an inland lake with changing winds.

By late afternoon. She wanted a break so we went though "heave to" and after two trys had the boat parked in 15 mph winds. I made and served lunch.

I appreiated the comments from the post as they often ran through my head. let her ask, let her make mistakes, short answers and let her ask again and on and on.

We discussed taking the boat into the dock but she wants to "build up to that"

Now I have another problem...I hope I get promoted back to skipper sometime soon...but as the rules of the sea state the admiral is always in charge.

Thanks again all.
 

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Jun 5, 2004
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- - Eugene, OR
Congratulations Breweraz, you gave her the chance to learn to love sailing, and assured your ability to keep sailing. As for taking the helm, keep in mind that sail trim is a absorbing art that you can devote yourself to. And always remember to make sure your admiral has plenty of fluid - you don't want her to get dehydrated, you know.
Jim Kolstoe, h23 Kara's Boo
 
Mar 16, 2009
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2 260 Lake Pleasant
Thank you for the advice on water. In AZ I think we live with a water bottle in our hands with 8% - 14% hunidity and 100 plus days a drinking a couple of gallons a day it not to far out of the question.
 
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