Tank Smell - contrary to conventional wisdom -LONG

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Oct 15, 2004
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Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
Is there a way to identify the manufacturer of a plastic tank, or more specifically what the tank is made of? I just removed the holding tank from the v-berth of our 1983 Oday 34, and I am here to tell you that the tank itself stinks. I believe it is the original tank fitted when the boat was new, and it has a capacity of about 12 gallons. I cannot find any markings anywhere on the tank. Some case history, - we bought the boat about this time last year, and over the course of the winter, I made several trips to where the boat was to prepare it to sail to our home port. One of the things we did was replace ALL the hoses for the waste system, including vents, as well as the head itself. The boat had a fairly noticeable head odor inside. After bringing the boat home, this spring I ordered a large quantity of KO and removed all the cushions and their covers from the boat, spraying the covers and the foam, leaving it all outside for several days of sunny weather per Peggie's recommendation. I also sprayed the entire bilge area, all the way to the front of the boat - including the entire underside of the v-berth area. I also sprayed all the fabric lining the inside of the hull, and aired the boat for several days. Over the course of the summer, I have cleaned the bilge (which is never really dirty, but does get some water when it rains) a couple of times with Simple Green, and removed any standing water. The existing holding tank had a vent fitting at the front and at the rear, but they both came together at a T fitting which exited the starboard side up under the rub rail. After buying Peggie's book, I learned this is not ideal since it was more than 45 degrees inclined from the tank. I removed the T fitting, and vented the front of the tank to a new vent under the rub rail near the bow - again, there was no way to avoid the incline, but with two separate vents, one facing forward and the other facing rearward, and since we are on a mooring always facing the wind, I hoped that would be sufficient to keep air circulating through the tank. While all these steps improved the situation, the boat continued to have a faint odor. The boat is now on the hard for winter, and since we have had some mild weather, I have been working on a few projects. Since the smell is always most prominent under the v-berth, I decided yesterday to remove the tank, on the chance that there was a small leak underneath, perhaps keeping the wood platform it sits on wet. In the process of removing the tank, which only had a gallon or so of antifreeze and a small amount of sewage that the pumpout did not remove, I spilled perhaps a cup or so of the vile contents into the bilge. I brought the tank home, and flushed it out several times in the basement sink, so that there was nothing left inside. Today, I visited the tank again in our basement (which is now filled with malodorous air). I applied the sniff test to the tank, and I can say unequivocally that the plastic itself stinks. The top, bottom and sides all smell like sewage, and it is definitely not just coming from the openings in the tank, it is the tank itself. I have always been told that plastic tanks cannot become permeated, but that appears to me to be exactly what has happened in this case. Upon visiting the boat today, I was greeted with the smell of KO, but no head odor, in fact, even the area under the v-berth has no head odor whatsoever. I should also mention that I found NO indications of ANY leaks around the tank, or any of the hoses. My question at this point is, are there perhaps different types of plastic tanks, some that are permeable, and some that are not? I plan on ordering a new Ronco tank, and I trust I won't have the same problem, at least not soon enough that I care, but in looking through their catalogue, I am wondering what the difference in the marine and rv tanks are? Also, what is the difference in their holding tanks vs water tanks? I have called them several times in the last couple days, but have not been able to get through while they are open. Lastly, what is the best solution when you cannot get a horizontal vent?? Even with my vents located up at the rubrail we managed to fill the tank with lakewater while running close hauled into a moderate chop for a couple of hours one time. Thanks, Scott Fuller O34 Dawn Treader Wauwatosa, WI
 
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Alex

Vent thru the Stenchion

Scott, I can't remember which issue of Sail magazine. Someone installed a smaller SS tube inside the stenchion and drilled a small hole on the bottom so the vent is higher up. I suppose if you worry about the strength you can always add a new stenchion in disguise for vent only. Fruit for thought. Alex Toronto
 
Oct 15, 2004
163
Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
Unfortunately, getting the vent even higher

will only exacerbate the problem - I think Peggie suggests that the farther from horizontal the vents go, the less effective they are, because the CO2 settles at the bottom of the tank.
 
Oct 15, 2004
163
Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
I talked to Ronco Plastics today

and Scott said that an old tank (mine is probably over 20 years old) can definitely retain an odor - it is a petroleum product, which dries out over time and gets microscopic cracks - not large enough to leak fluid but enough to absorb it and give off odor. This is contrary to what I thought I had always been told, but the proof is in the pudding (or the plastic in this case). I am willing to gamble on the cost of a new tank in order to get rid of the odor on our boat especially since we have tried everything else.
 
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Mike

Plastic Tank Odor

Scott, The guy from Ronco is right, we too had a plastic tank that became permeated. We changed out the tank and also painted the space around the tank. This made a major improvement in our olfactory life! Good Luck!
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
933
Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
Same problem

We just bought a 1985 O'day 35 last year, it's the same as the 34 except they added a sugar scoop swim platform so I'm sure the plumbing is identical to the 34. We have the same problem with the smell under the v berth. The hanging locker and stack of drawers are open to the space under the v berth so all of our clothes would get that same funky smell. Scott, can you give me the tank info you found for your boat? I'll hold on to it and in the spring i'll take some measurements and replace mine! Thanks, Danny
 
Oct 15, 2004
163
Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
Our tank dimensions

Danny, the tank I pulled out is 29 inches long, 9 inches wide, and 12 inches high. I am going to try to fit a tank a few inches longer, same width, and perhaps up to two inches higher. If I could get 32 inches to fit through the opening for the storage bin, I would increase my capacity almost 50%. I think the boat was spec'd with a 15 gallon tank, but what I pulled out is closer to 12. Don't overlook replacing ALL the hoses if you really want to get rid of the smell. Ours all reeked. There is a test with a hot wet rag I thing, wrapped around the hose - if the rag absorbs the odor the hose is permeated. That is my recollection anyway, but an archive search would probably prove me right or wrong.
 
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peter mazagran

why separate tanks?

I built a 47' wood/epoxy Catamaran 1998 with build-in tanks (hull&bulkhead=tank), all of them, water, waste and diesel, epoxy/glasfiber and an extra layer food grade epoxy paint. Until I sold the boat last year there was no smell at all. All piping was rigid PVC, no problem too. I am doing the same now on my new boat. Peter
 
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