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Ed Smith
There are alternatives.
If your interest is a family day cruiser, then stay away. If you want a performance boat and are leary of this boat, then check out the JY-15. You will swim but it is easily righted and it can handle two people and it is a performance boat. Then if you don't care for the jib, go for a force V or lazer. I think I would have been happier with a keel boat such as the J-22 or 24.
If your interest is a family day cruiser, then stay away. If you want a performance boat and are leary of this boat, then check out the JY-15. You will swim but it is easily righted and it can handle two people and it is a performance boat. Then if you don't care for the jib, go for a force V or lazer. I think I would have been happier with a keel boat such as the J-22 or 24.
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Mark Cooper
Don't believe everything you read
Including this, I guess. I had a 170 for a year and a half and never had an ounce of trouble with it. Loved everything about it and never once capsized it. I got her up on her side quite a few times, though; and it was an ultimate experience. It's a dinghy! Ballast is supplied by the people on board. Good use of sails and good body placement make for a tremendous sail. Unfortunately, as much as I loved it, my wife did not. She wanted to relax and drink a cold beverage while I wanted to sheet 'er in and ride the side. So we compromised and got a bigger boat; but I'll sing testaments to the 170 anytime. Any day. And, lest someone think I'm criticizing their sailing ability, I am only detailing my own personal experience with a great daysailing DINGHY.
Including this, I guess. I had a 170 for a year and a half and never had an ounce of trouble with it. Loved everything about it and never once capsized it. I got her up on her side quite a few times, though; and it was an ultimate experience. It's a dinghy! Ballast is supplied by the people on board. Good use of sails and good body placement make for a tremendous sail. Unfortunately, as much as I loved it, my wife did not. She wanted to relax and drink a cold beverage while I wanted to sheet 'er in and ride the side. So we compromised and got a bigger boat; but I'll sing testaments to the 170 anytime. Any day. And, lest someone think I'm criticizing their sailing ability, I am only detailing my own personal experience with a great daysailing DINGHY.
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Bryan C.
Capsize and righting
I don't disagree with Mark, with an experienced skipper and modifications it may be a great boat to sail. But as he points out, the boat is unballasted and depends up crew placement (and sail handling) to stay upright. My point is that any unballasted boat can inherently flip over, particularly if it has an agressive sail plan or when handled by a novice. That's ok (so long as you don't have the boat loaded with stuff that's going to get ruined, like an engine) but if the boat is so beamy or otherwise lacking in design features so that it cannot be reasonably easily righted, there's a problem.
I don't disagree with Mark, with an experienced skipper and modifications it may be a great boat to sail. But as he points out, the boat is unballasted and depends up crew placement (and sail handling) to stay upright. My point is that any unballasted boat can inherently flip over, particularly if it has an agressive sail plan or when handled by a novice. That's ok (so long as you don't have the boat loaded with stuff that's going to get ruined, like an engine) but if the boat is so beamy or otherwise lacking in design features so that it cannot be reasonably easily righted, there's a problem.
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress
Sailing a small boat requires...
a LOT more skill than sailing a large one. There's nothing wrong with the H17...in the right hands, it's a little screamin' machine!
a LOT more skill than sailing a large one. There's nothing wrong with the H17...in the right hands, it's a little screamin' machine!
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Mark Cooper
Makes me miss my baby!!!
Oh, how I love my 240 for all its glory; but talking about the 170 makes me miss my first true love. Anyone out there close to Dallas with one, how about just letting me touch it?
Oh, how I love my 240 for all its glory; but talking about the 170 makes me miss my first true love. Anyone out there close to Dallas with one, how about just letting me touch it?
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Michael Stuart
It's a Screaming Machine ...
... because that's the noise you hear when one passes, coming from the captain about to take a swim!
... because that's the noise you hear when one passes, coming from the captain about to take a swim!
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Paul Housman
170 deserves a chance
I agree with Marc and Peggie. We sail a 140 which is even smaller than the 170. We've had her 2 years and have had her out in some pretty windy days. With proper balance and sail handling she flies in the water. If you're looking for a boat where you can get in and forget about the elements and just sit back, this is not your boat. Neither is the JY15(IMHO). I checked out both boats before we bought the 140. Yes I know it is really a JY14. But I feel its a lot more stable. The only reason we didn't get the170 was the open transom. I always sail with the mainsheet in my hand just in case. I can always tell when I'm getting to much heel on the boat my wife starts yelling my name. Sorry for being so windy. Just got back in from a great weekend sailing on the lake.
I agree with Marc and Peggie. We sail a 140 which is even smaller than the 170. We've had her 2 years and have had her out in some pretty windy days. With proper balance and sail handling she flies in the water. If you're looking for a boat where you can get in and forget about the elements and just sit back, this is not your boat. Neither is the JY15(IMHO). I checked out both boats before we bought the 140. Yes I know it is really a JY14. But I feel its a lot more stable. The only reason we didn't get the170 was the open transom. I always sail with the mainsheet in my hand just in case. I can always tell when I'm getting to much heel on the boat my wife starts yelling my name. Sorry for being so windy. Just got back in from a great weekend sailing on the lake.
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Mark Cooper
The best inclinometer in the world
I thought about getting an inclinometer, but realize I don't need one with my wife. I just heel until she squeals and then back off the sheets just a tad. And, as for sailing with the mainsheet in your hand, that's how I learned it and I still do it on my 240. A sense of security, maybe; but I want to know I can dump some wind in a big hurry when I need to.
I thought about getting an inclinometer, but realize I don't need one with my wife. I just heel until she squeals and then back off the sheets just a tad. And, as for sailing with the mainsheet in your hand, that's how I learned it and I still do it on my 240. A sense of security, maybe; but I want to know I can dump some wind in a big hurry when I need to.
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