Does anyone have measurements for a storm trisail and a storm jib (for the inner forestay) for the 37c? Or, how about some kind of formula for storm sails? I would check with my loft, but I don't have one. I live on an island with no sail makers closer than a 3 day sail from here. I will probably purchase them from one of the on line sources. Any suggestions on that while you're at it? Thanks, Morrie
- Status
loose
loose - I have the boom but I haven't used it. With the cutter rig is the measurement from the inner stay to the mast called the inner J measurement? In other words, when calculating a storm jib size and asked for the J measurement would I use that "inner J" measurement instead of the regular J?
loose - I have the boom but I haven't used it. With the cutter rig is the measurement from the inner stay to the mast called the inner J measurement? In other words, when calculating a storm jib size and asked for the J measurement would I use that "inner J" measurement instead of the regular J?
No "J".
I don't think the "J" measurements matter much Morrie. Storm sails are always smaller and always loose-footed. I think it would take a good sailmaker to give you exactly what you are looking for. Write to Lee Sails(http://www3.leesails.com/), they are used to doing everything by mail since they are in Hong Kong. They made my new yankee. Also read what Sailrite(http://www.sailrite.com/) has to say on the subject. Since they sell stormsail kits they might be helpful. My own plan is to make mine from one of their kits. Maybe two, one for the inner stay and one for a separate track on the mast.
I don't think the "J" measurements matter much Morrie. Storm sails are always smaller and always loose-footed. I think it would take a good sailmaker to give you exactly what you are looking for. Write to Lee Sails(http://www3.leesails.com/), they are used to doing everything by mail since they are in Hong Kong. They made my new yankee. Also read what Sailrite(http://www.sailrite.com/) has to say on the subject. Since they sell stormsail kits they might be helpful. My own plan is to make mine from one of their kits. Maybe two, one for the inner stay and one for a separate track on the mast.
sailrite uses J
I was trying to price storm sail kits on Sailrite's web site before I wrote the original post here - that's where I got confused. Their form that calculates the size of the storm jib uses the J and the I measurements in calculating the size of the sail. I guess I'm going to need to find a sail makes somewhere to talk to by phone.
I was trying to price storm sail kits on Sailrite's web site before I wrote the original post here - that's where I got confused. Their form that calculates the size of the storm jib uses the J and the I measurements in calculating the size of the sail. I guess I'm going to need to find a sail makes somewhere to talk to by phone.
My poor answer.
Sorry Morrie, I did not mean that the 'J' dimension is irrelevant. The storm sail, whether jib or staysail, has to fit within the triangle. I just meant that a storm sail tends to much smaller, that the 'J' is a boundary but not to be matched. I took another look at Sailrite and did not find the help that I thought I would find. I have their catalog in front of me and no help there. There is this website that might be of some value: http://www.setsail.com/c_central/faqs/faq2.html But I still think a call to Lee Sails is your best bet. Heck, you are half way there.
I will be very interested in what you learn.
Sorry Morrie, I did not mean that the 'J' dimension is irrelevant. The storm sail, whether jib or staysail, has to fit within the triangle. I just meant that a storm sail tends to much smaller, that the 'J' is a boundary but not to be matched. I took another look at Sailrite and did not find the help that I thought I would find. I have their catalog in front of me and no help there. There is this website that might be of some value: http://www.setsail.com/c_central/faqs/faq2.html But I still think a call to Lee Sails is your best bet. Heck, you are half way there.
I will be very interested in what you learn.Morrie there was a recent article
last couple of issues in either Cruising World or Sail discussing storm sails. I assume the J measurement is not the correct reference, because you are fitting out for an inner stay. Also get some advice as to whether to add a couple of reef points to your existing staysail, assuming hank on. How do you rig your staysail regarding sheets, if self tending? Some one out there has their 37C staysail on a furler, club footed I recollect. Wonder if that requires a topping lift?
last couple of issues in either Cruising World or Sail discussing storm sails. I assume the J measurement is not the correct reference, because you are fitting out for an inner stay. Also get some advice as to whether to add a couple of reef points to your existing staysail, assuming hank on. How do you rig your staysail regarding sheets, if self tending? Some one out there has their 37C staysail on a furler, club footed I recollect. Wonder if that requires a topping lift?
Roller furling staysail
I have just now moved the CDI furler from the fore stay to the staysail. It requires that I use a topping lift to hold up the end of the boom while I unfurl the sail. While I do not have everything together, it appears that the geometry will work. For your info. I purchased a used headsail at Atlantic Sail Traders at a VERY favorable price point that fit GREAT! Still working out the outhaul, furling lines, stops, travelers, etc.
I have just now moved the CDI furler from the fore stay to the staysail. It requires that I use a topping lift to hold up the end of the boom while I unfurl the sail. While I do not have everything together, it appears that the geometry will work. For your info. I purchased a used headsail at Atlantic Sail Traders at a VERY favorable price point that fit GREAT! Still working out the outhaul, furling lines, stops, travelers, etc.
Hey Alan, keep us posted
and photos are mandatory. Anyway to avoid having to go forward re the topping lift? Scott
and photos are mandatory. Anyway to avoid having to go forward re the topping lift? Scott
Heavy Sta Sail
I have a heavier sta-sail with one reef point put in. The shape is great even with the heavier fabric and gives me a self tending storm sail if needed which I hope isn't to often.
I have a heavier sta-sail with one reef point put in. The shape is great even with the heavier fabric and gives me a self tending storm sail if needed which I hope isn't to often.
Im not sure but!
Not sure i can help but ponder this. I have a 37c with dual rollers forward. The staysail i have is the stock one that came with the boat. I have some serious reservations about it. the rolled staysail is a pain in the butt when you want to tack the yankee. the sheets and sail drag on the cover and the friction is a pain in the right arm. the sail is loose footed and is about the same size foot as the staysail boom. and it hoists to fill the triangle. I can and have rolled it partially, but it does not shape well. for offshore work i think i would rather have a conventional set up so i can change to a smaller jib. Would like to have a bigger genoa say 125 but im afraid i would have to roll it for every tack. It remains a mystery too me what I want. Im thinking alot about removing the staysail furler and use a removable inner stay, then put what i want up just before i need it. I do need a toping lift to hold up the inboard end of the staysail boom. and i hate the way it interfears with the hatch.
Not sure i can help but ponder this. I have a 37c with dual rollers forward. The staysail i have is the stock one that came with the boat. I have some serious reservations about it. the rolled staysail is a pain in the butt when you want to tack the yankee. the sheets and sail drag on the cover and the friction is a pain in the right arm. the sail is loose footed and is about the same size foot as the staysail boom. and it hoists to fill the triangle. I can and have rolled it partially, but it does not shape well. for offshore work i think i would rather have a conventional set up so i can change to a smaller jib. Would like to have a bigger genoa say 125 but im afraid i would have to roll it for every tack. It remains a mystery too me what I want. Im thinking alot about removing the staysail furler and use a removable inner stay, then put what i want up just before i need it. I do need a toping lift to hold up the inboard end of the staysail boom. and i hate the way it interfears with the hatch.
Boom support
How have you been Ed? I made a stainless support for the boom and it protects the hatch and boxes.
How have you been Ed? I made a stainless support for the boom and it protects the hatch and boxes.
We are good.
The stainless guard looks great! So do the teak dorades and the fancy vent! looks like your trying to keep the standard high! ED
The stainless guard looks great! So do the teak dorades and the fancy vent! looks like your trying to keep the standard high! ED
Ed A re the topping lift on staysail
how is yours set up and length? I have the club foot staysail hank on with a short (mabe 2-3 foot) topping lift fixed in length anchored to the front of the mast. Do you have an adjustable topping lift or do you have to go forward to release it after you have unfurled the stays'l? Scott
how is yours set up and length? I have the club foot staysail hank on with a short (mabe 2-3 foot) topping lift fixed in length anchored to the front of the mast. Do you have an adjustable topping lift or do you have to go forward to release it after you have unfurled the stays'l? Scott
scott,
With the roller furler and a cdi furler i have the halyard free to use as a toping lift. I adjust it to our liking depending on the hatch opening. I dont know the measurements.
With the roller furler and a cdi furler i have the halyard free to use as a toping lift. I adjust it to our liking depending on the hatch opening. I dont know the measurements.
Stormsail sizing
To get an idea about proper stormsail dimensions, you can ask experienced people at the lofts (mine recommended a heavy cloth 30-35% sail with a pendant to get the foot off the deck and out of the way of breaking waves). You can also look at the "Gale Sail" charts (see http://www.atninc.com/). ATN offers Gale Sails in different sizes depending on boat size and displacement, etc. The size of their Gale Sail is a good approximation of the size for a storm jib for that boat (not a bad choice if you have a roller-furled sail where you want a storm sail). Best of luck.
To get an idea about proper stormsail dimensions, you can ask experienced people at the lofts (mine recommended a heavy cloth 30-35% sail with a pendant to get the foot off the deck and out of the way of breaking waves). You can also look at the "Gale Sail" charts (see http://www.atninc.com/). ATN offers Gale Sails in different sizes depending on boat size and displacement, etc. The size of their Gale Sail is a good approximation of the size for a storm jib for that boat (not a bad choice if you have a roller-furled sail where you want a storm sail). Best of luck.
scott, sorry i did not answer the question
I use the staysail halyard as a toping lift. If i dont have the boom jacked up to open the forward hatch i usually dont have to go forward but if i have the boom raised to open the hatch then i have to lower the boom from the mast by lowering the halyard. sorry sometimes my fingers wont work as fast as my brain. Is that a computer problem?
I use the staysail halyard as a toping lift. If i dont have the boom jacked up to open the forward hatch i usually dont have to go forward but if i have the boom raised to open the hatch then i have to lower the boom from the mast by lowering the halyard. sorry sometimes my fingers wont work as fast as my brain. Is that a computer problem?
storm sails.
OK I found some unofficial measurements. Many of the 37c hunters came with johnson sails, later sold to jsi then to somebody else now back open as jsi with different people. the infoe i have is a printout of recommended sails. the storm jib numbers are 45% 45 foot luff, 85 sq ft. 9 0z. cloth. The storm trysail would be 75% 35foot luff and 67SQ ft area built of 9 oz cloth. Im sure this is jsi recomendations for the 37 c they show the main at 237 Sq feet. a 110 lapper and 85% storm jib. the boat measurements according to this printout are as follows. P=39.50 E=13 I=46.16 j=17 and interestingly Jc=17. This does not seem to add up the jc has to be a good bit shorter so i question the accuracy of these numbers. Hope this is some help Ed
OK I found some unofficial measurements. Many of the 37c hunters came with johnson sails, later sold to jsi then to somebody else now back open as jsi with different people. the infoe i have is a printout of recommended sails. the storm jib numbers are 45% 45 foot luff, 85 sq ft. 9 0z. cloth. The storm trysail would be 75% 35foot luff and 67SQ ft area built of 9 oz cloth. Im sure this is jsi recomendations for the 37 c they show the main at 237 Sq feet. a 110 lapper and 85% storm jib. the boat measurements according to this printout are as follows. P=39.50 E=13 I=46.16 j=17 and interestingly Jc=17. This does not seem to add up the jc has to be a good bit shorter so i question the accuracy of these numbers. Hope this is some help Ed
- Status