Steering while motoring a Hunter 23.5

Status
Not open for further replies.
Jan 29, 2010
5
Hunter 310 Lewes, DE
I'm new to sailing - so please forgive me if this is a dumb question. I just put my 1994 H23.5 in the water for the first time last weekend.

When attempting to pull into my slip for the first time - I really struggled trying to steer the boat with both the rudder and motor tiller. One of my friends suggested that I lock the motor in the straight position, and just use the rudder alone to steer the boat. Another friend suggested that I raise the rudder and just use the motor tiller to steer the boat. The problem I had with this idea is that there is not much clearance for the motor to rotate right and left in the motor well (I have a Nissan 9.8HP which sits pretty tight in the motor well).

One thing for certain, trying to steer with both tillers was really tough.

What is the correct way to handle this? Any advice, insight or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Tim
 

Dragon

.
Mar 25, 2009
32
Hunter 38 Belleville
Listen to your first friend...lock the motor in the straight position and just use your tiller to move the rudder. Welcome to sailing. There are no dumb questions (just dumb answers).
 

DJN51

.
Oct 26, 2009
377
Hunter 23.5 East Chicago In
Just added ez steer as per Dan Hill's.Made my own. Will post pics. Lot less than what EZ STEER wanted.
 
May 31, 2004
90
-Hunter 23.5 Sandusky, OH
I've always kept the motor locked straight forward and used the rudder for stearing. In some tight situations I have reaced down with a foot and pushed the tiller on the motor over one way or the other, but don't need to do that very often.
 
Aug 5, 2009
333
Hunter h23 Dallas Tx.
I always lock my outboard and tiller steer unless I have a 10+ knot south wind ( my boat faces west in the slip and has to turn back south to get out of the marina) then I turn my outboard as well when backing out of my slip. I do this because after 10' of backing and my boat has not started to turn I have to turn sharper and the south wind won't let it.
 

Scott2

.
Sep 26, 2008
58
Hunter 240 Hayward, WI
I have to jockey around a boat lift when I approach my dock. It is open to the lake so can get quite sporty at times when the wind picks up because it is very tight quarters.

I have found it more precise when I raise my rudder and use the variable direction an outboard affords. Kind of like using your resources to their best advantage.

To gain clearance, raise your tiller handle up. With this technique, I can get full swing of the engine.
 

Attachments

Jun 3, 2004
130
Seaward 24 Indianapolis
I'm a steer with both guy. It is a bit of a pain leaning back and forth to move the outboard around (I'm on a 240 so my layout is even a bigger pain than yours). I just don't get much "traction" using just the rudder at low speeds.
 
Nov 1, 2009
2
Hunter 240 Geneva, Florida
Just a few thoughts on steering, mostly in docking.

First, if you keep everything as slow and simple as possible the whole process will be easier. That's why locking the motor and steering with the tiller is imho the best way to go in most situations. If you keep the engine at a slow but steady idle, you can just shift back and forth from forward to neutral and reverse without adjusting the throttle. This eliminates moving the throttle around and shoving the engine position around. Generally all the motor needs to do is get the boat moving to the minimum speed so that your tiller can bite into the water. If you adjust the throttle a lot, things can happen very fast and you can get moving surprisingly fast when you don't want to. Second, and for this reason, if possible operate at idle speed, and use neutral when you can. This will mean that you will move relatively slowly, and will have more time to plan and adjust. Once you are moving in the right direction, think about drifting along in neutral and just steering yourself in. Sailboats have a long drift, and once moving will move easily over a longer distance than you might expect. Moving slowly eases anxiety a lot because if buys you time. Plan ahead when steering, and take into account where the wind will want to send you. Boats vary a lot in hull configuration, and every boat pivots around a different point. Always keep in mind that if you are going slow, you will have an easier time of managing any impacts. (Naturally, going TOO slow will rob you of steering, so there is a limit to this principle. However, generally slower is better as long as the wind is not moving you around too much.) Third, going in and out of your slip several times as a practice is very helpful. Not much fun, but I guarantee that if you take your boat in and out of the slip ten times you will feel much more confident on the eleventh try. Most people are so glad to get the boat safely back to the dock that they never make practice runds. Depending on how your slip is configured, you might find that backing the boat in is preferable to bow-in. When you are returning after sailing the boat you are up to speed on your boat and have reminded yourself of how everything works. Thus,complicated maneuvers might be easier to make than they might be when you are just starting out. Among other things, you will not forget about lines tying you to the dock when you are coming back! Usually, leaving the slip bow first has the best chance of just letting you cruise out without changing gear. If the wind is favorable you can just put the engine in neutral and drift out of the dock sometimes if you are pointed in the right direction. Fourth, get your dock lines all set up on the dock for your return, and have lines ready on the boat as well as on the dock, with a boathook handy. You might want to consider running a line from the middle of your slip to the pilings at the end of your slip, if you have them. This v-shaped rig, in the appropriate level above the water, will cradle your boat and let it sit in place at the slip while you are fooling with the lines. It will also let you tie a bumper to the spot the where the bow ends up. These breastlines use up a fair amount of rope, but it's nice to just cruise into the slip and bump gently into the lines and end bumper if you need to. Breastlines may make singlehanding easier as well.

Although this may seem like a lot to consider on this specific topic, these are all factors that will make steering with just the tiller easier and more likely to be all you need. Among other things, engines sometimes fail, and using only the tiller may be what you are forced to do.

One final note. Make sure that your engine kill line is easily accessible! If your motor sticks in the open throttle position or will not move out of gear, you want to KILL THE ENGINE instead of struggling with it and ramming into something. If you kill the engine, you will not be distracted by a roaring engine, your decisions will be simpler, and you can expect to slow down over time and minimize damage in docking. Play with minimizing engine use and you will be surprised how little you really need it.
 
Jul 31, 2009
165
None None None
You've received a lot of good advice regarding steering a 23.5. I lock the motor and steer witht the rudder. One other thing to consider... always try to dock steering the boat into the wind. You have much more control steering into the wind versus downwind. This may not be possible if the wind is blowing directly into your slip, but it could determine the direction you choose in approaching your slip (crosswinds). One other thing, I've noticed some skippers are more concerned with what those watching them dock are thinking about rather than actually docking the boat. There's only so much "water in the bucket" so I suggest you forget about the yahoos on the dock and concentrate on driving your boat.

Bill Jones
s/v Wind Dancer
 
Jan 29, 2010
5
Hunter 310 Lewes, DE
Thank you to everyone who posted a reply to my question. Your thoughts and advice have been extremely helpful. I locked the motor and after making several practice runs in various conditions, I am starting to feel more comfortable with docking in general. It is still an adventure - but, thanks to your collective insight, it's not quite as scary as it was at first. I may even try backing in someday when the wind and current are light enough.

Thanks again,
Tim
 
Status
Not open for further replies.