I have read several good articles on how great staysails are and have seen many 30'- 40' boats with staysails, but never a Catalina. Most Catalinas have roller furling, but partially furled genoas don't work worth a hoot in heavy wind. Has anyone successfully rigged a staysail on a Cat 30' Thanks
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LaDonna Bubak - Planet Catalina
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A staysail means an inner stay & if you have RF, tacking that foresail will be a huge pain. You might contact Catalina directly & discuss it with their Customer Service folks. They might have some suggestions/cautions about this. LaDonna
A staysail means an inner stay & if you have RF, tacking that foresail will be a huge pain. You might contact Catalina directly & discuss it with their Customer Service folks. They might have some suggestions/cautions about this. LaDonna
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Jeff Walker
a guy on my dock did it....
I have not inspected it closely but he added a small storm sail and stay on a 1979 Catalina 30. He also uses it sailing back to his slip single handed which works pretty well. The gap does seem very tight however and I'm sure it's a major pain tacking with his 140% genoa. He's a very colorful character. About 80 years old and literally goes out sailing every day by himself.
I have not inspected it closely but he added a small storm sail and stay on a 1979 Catalina 30. He also uses it sailing back to his slip single handed which works pretty well. The gap does seem very tight however and I'm sure it's a major pain tacking with his 140% genoa. He's a very colorful character. About 80 years old and literally goes out sailing every day by himself.
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GERRY HULL
STAYSAIL OPTION
THE EASIEST PROBLEM TO SOLVE WITH A STAYSAIL IS THAT OF IT BEING IN THE WAY AND UNUSED MOST OF THE TIME. THIS IS EASILY DONE BY MAKING IT REMOVEABLE AT THE DECK AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE DECK LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE MAST. HINCKLEY HAS A SYSTEM WHICH USES A SPECIAL FITTING ON THE FOREDECK. OTHERS US A HYFIELD LEVER WHICH IS IN EFFECT A GIANT PELICAN HOOK. THE MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE IS SUPPORTING THE STAY STRUCTURALLY. YOU CAN'T SIMPLY FASTEN IT TO THE DECK...NOT STRONG ENOUGH. SOMEHOW YOU HAVE TO GET THE LOAD DOWN TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE HULL AND THAT CALLS FOR AN INTERNAL CHAIN PLATE OF SOME SORT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS PUTTING AN OPPOSING FORCE ON THE MAST TO COUNTER THE BENDING CAUSED BUY A LOADED STAYSAIL IN BOUNCING CONDITIONS, ENTER THE RUNNUNG BACKSTAYS OR AT LEAST FIXED ONES LED AFT [WHICH GET HIT BY THE BOOM]. BOTTOM LINE... ITS NO SMALL THING AND YOU NEED A NAVAL ARCHITECTS ADVICE,DRAWINGS AND A GOOD RIGGER AND BOAT YARD. OBVIOUSLY NOT CHEAP. YOU HAVE GOT TO REALLY NEED/WANT IT TO DO ALL THIS. GOOD LUCK, GJH "ACADIA" CAT 42
THE EASIEST PROBLEM TO SOLVE WITH A STAYSAIL IS THAT OF IT BEING IN THE WAY AND UNUSED MOST OF THE TIME. THIS IS EASILY DONE BY MAKING IT REMOVEABLE AT THE DECK AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE DECK LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE MAST. HINCKLEY HAS A SYSTEM WHICH USES A SPECIAL FITTING ON THE FOREDECK. OTHERS US A HYFIELD LEVER WHICH IS IN EFFECT A GIANT PELICAN HOOK. THE MORE DIFFICULT ISSUE IS SUPPORTING THE STAY STRUCTURALLY. YOU CAN'T SIMPLY FASTEN IT TO THE DECK...NOT STRONG ENOUGH. SOMEHOW YOU HAVE TO GET THE LOAD DOWN TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE HULL AND THAT CALLS FOR AN INTERNAL CHAIN PLATE OF SOME SORT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS PUTTING AN OPPOSING FORCE ON THE MAST TO COUNTER THE BENDING CAUSED BUY A LOADED STAYSAIL IN BOUNCING CONDITIONS, ENTER THE RUNNUNG BACKSTAYS OR AT LEAST FIXED ONES LED AFT [WHICH GET HIT BY THE BOOM]. BOTTOM LINE... ITS NO SMALL THING AND YOU NEED A NAVAL ARCHITECTS ADVICE,DRAWINGS AND A GOOD RIGGER AND BOAT YARD. OBVIOUSLY NOT CHEAP. YOU HAVE GOT TO REALLY NEED/WANT IT TO DO ALL THIS. GOOD LUCK, GJH "ACADIA" CAT 42
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Curt Dennis
How come?
I'm also getting a furler for my C-22, but wondered why you say a fulred genoa won't work worth a hoot? I was hoping to use a 150 on a furler but have heard that most 150's are too light and would blow out when partially furled...but are you also saying a partially furled does not work for another reason? Thanks!
I'm also getting a furler for my C-22, but wondered why you say a fulred genoa won't work worth a hoot? I was hoping to use a 150 on a furler but have heard that most 150's are too light and would blow out when partially furled...but are you also saying a partially furled does not work for another reason? Thanks!
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John Manfredi
roller reefing
Our experience is that roller furling our 150 genoa in light or medium air is great; roller reefing a 150 gennoa in strong wind is too hard on rigging and sail shape is louzy. After 4 attempts to roller reef in 20 - 30 knot winds we have given up the idea completely. My main concern with a partially reefed genoa in strong wind is the roller reefing line tension is so great I fear twisting the aluminum airfoil right off the drum. Sailing a 150 in heavy wind is no good on sails, rigging or marriages. Now when the wind gets too much we simply roll up and quit sailing. When we used to sail a hanked on jib we would change to a smaller headsail and keep sailing. Thus my initial question about a staysail. We are not so unhappy with roller furling that we would go back to hanks. However, if you like/need to sail in heavy wind you will not like a roller reefed 150.
Our experience is that roller furling our 150 genoa in light or medium air is great; roller reefing a 150 gennoa in strong wind is too hard on rigging and sail shape is louzy. After 4 attempts to roller reef in 20 - 30 knot winds we have given up the idea completely. My main concern with a partially reefed genoa in strong wind is the roller reefing line tension is so great I fear twisting the aluminum airfoil right off the drum. Sailing a 150 in heavy wind is no good on sails, rigging or marriages. Now when the wind gets too much we simply roll up and quit sailing. When we used to sail a hanked on jib we would change to a smaller headsail and keep sailing. Thus my initial question about a staysail. We are not so unhappy with roller furling that we would go back to hanks. However, if you like/need to sail in heavy wind you will not like a roller reefed 150.
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Julian
Another Suggestion
John, I have a C320 here on SF Bay that I acquired last year. It was a SoCa boat fitted with a 135% genoa. I found this excellent for winter sailing here, but recently invested in a 95-100% working jib for summer work. (Of course, 25 knots is a balmy day on the bay.) As you were, I also was concerned about sail shape, life expectancy, etc. with a substantially furled sail. I've found that the combination works great. Having two gives me much greater range, and eliminates lots of issues (including marital stress). Changing furling headsails is not much trickier than traditional hanks; altho not something you'd want to do every outing, or in a blow. Since winds in the San Juans are typically lighter, maybe a 110 would be a good second sail to a 150, giving you flexibility for a range of conditions. Many here on the Bay have only a 110, which they seem to find is adequate in the lighter winds of winter. Just a suggestion. Might be less expensive and time consuming than a new rig. BTW, our family sailed out of Anacortes last August and fell in love with the area. Good luck, Julian Elliott Polaris #340
John, I have a C320 here on SF Bay that I acquired last year. It was a SoCa boat fitted with a 135% genoa. I found this excellent for winter sailing here, but recently invested in a 95-100% working jib for summer work. (Of course, 25 knots is a balmy day on the bay.) As you were, I also was concerned about sail shape, life expectancy, etc. with a substantially furled sail. I've found that the combination works great. Having two gives me much greater range, and eliminates lots of issues (including marital stress). Changing furling headsails is not much trickier than traditional hanks; altho not something you'd want to do every outing, or in a blow. Since winds in the San Juans are typically lighter, maybe a 110 would be a good second sail to a 150, giving you flexibility for a range of conditions. Many here on the Bay have only a 110, which they seem to find is adequate in the lighter winds of winter. Just a suggestion. Might be less expensive and time consuming than a new rig. BTW, our family sailed out of Anacortes last August and fell in love with the area. Good luck, Julian Elliott Polaris #340
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