St. Martin v. BVIs for bareboat crusing?

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Apr 28, 2005
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Oday 302 Lake Perry, KS
Hoping some of the wise sages here will be able to offer thoughts about St. Martin as a bareboat cruising area for next winter. Especially comparing St. Martin with the BVIs.

We've been to the BVIs twice - loved it and have seen most of it. We like being able to move from island to island, snorkel, eat dinner on shore and the ease of being in the same jurisdiction for the entire week.

How does St. Martin stack up against the BVIs? Is it a hassle to move from the Dutch to the French sides? Are there plenty of mooring balls? Are there places to sail from island to island? Anybody rent from Horizon Yacht Charters?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts and experiences.
 
May 25, 2004
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Hunter 260 Pepin, WI
I recommend going further south. Consider St Lucia and the Grenadines. Not only do you sail from Island to Island, but from nation to nation. With the new custom agreements, you no longer have to clear at each Island.
 
Dec 29, 2008
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Treworgy 65' LOA Custom Steel Pilothouse Staysail Ketch St. Croix, Virgin Islands
Steve, I'm interested in your results, too. I'd also like to hear your recommendations for who to charter from in the BVIs, and any other advice you can offer with respect to provisioning, contracts, any other details to look out for.

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Jul 28, 2010
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Boston Whaler Montauk New Orleans
Steve, my wife and I have bareboated in the BVIs and St. Martin. Both were great, but we preferred the St Martin experience.

The BVIs was easy sailing, always line of sight. However, we found it to be rather expensive and a bit touristy for our tastes, other than a jog we took one day to Anegada.

We did our St. Maarten charter with Sunsail, just the 2 of us. We went to St. Barts, then to St Eustatius (our favorite). We then sailed to Anguilla, which we also loved, before heading back to StM.

It wasn't quite as "pre-packaged" as BVIs, but that's what we liked about it. It also wasn't as "easy" as the BVIs, but certainly just fine for us two amateurs. I'd recommend St M, especially as you've done the BVIs.

If you're looking for even more alternatives, we also did a bareboat down in St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Absolutely fabulous, and we will be going back again within the next year or two. We combined that with an ASA course as well.
 

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I recommend going further south. Consider St Lucia and the Grenadines. Not only do you sail from Island to Island, but from nation to nation. With the new custom agreements, you no longer have to clear at each Island.
We haven't found any country down here that you do not have to clear in or out of; beware of wrong information; the last captain who thought the above idiocy paid a us$4000.00 fine in Dominica a couple of months back!
The distance between islands in the Leewards is the biggest difference in sailing from St. Martin. Where as you might sail an hour or 2 in the VI, you can spend 6 or more (an overnite to Antigua) in the Leewards. If you look at a chart you can get a better idea of what I'm talking about. You can hang out on St.Martin going between the French and Dutch sides, then sail down to St. Barths (the most expensive isle this side of the ABC's) where they charge you by the square meter for anchoring. Any trip beyond that is considerably longer than anything in the VI and one leg (or both, depending on your luck) may be hard to windward in maybe 25 to 30 knots.
I would suggest, as others above have, that you try the Grenadines. Between Grenada and St. Vincent there are a lot of interesting islands, anchorages and towns. Lots to do in the water and ashore and some challenging sailing, unlike the VI.
 
Dec 8, 2007
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-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
consider the spanish VI's, charter out of puerto rico,no checking in and out ,and much more peaceful and inexpensive then the mall like tourist trap at BVI
 
Aug 16, 2009
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Hunter 1986 H31 California Yacht Marina, Chula Vista, CA
"Any idiot can make a boat go; it takes a sailor to stop one" ... Spike Africa. 1964 aboard the schooner "Wanderer" Sausalito, Ca

Is this a takeoff on the line in the very very old and clever Peter Ustinov LP album spoofing the Eurpean Gran Prix in which the Italian team justifies it's decision to save weight by eliminating brakes by sayting, "Any fool can make a car go slow; it takes
a genius can make it go fast!"
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
"Any idiot can make a boat go; it takes a sailor to stop one" ... Spike Africa. 1964 aboard the schooner "Wanderer" Sausalito, Ca

Is this a takeoff on the line in the very very old and clever Peter Ustinov LP album spoofing the Eurpean Gran Prix in which the Italian team justifies it's decision to save weight by eliminating brakes by sayting, "Any fool can make a car go slow; it takes
a genius can make it go fast!"
Hardly.
 
Feb 6, 2013
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Caliber 35LRC Deale MD
Steve,
like you, we have been to BVI's several times, and have also chartered with Horizon in St. Maarten and Antigua. Did ASA course/charter in the Grenadines. We loved St. Maarten! It is more challenging than the BVI, less crowded and we had awesome wind the whole time. Unlike BVI, you will mostly anchor, and need solid anchoring skills. We started in Simpson Lagoon, which is the only thing that could be considered a hassle... have to pay for use of lagoon, and wait for bridge openings, and clear out in order to visit other islands and the French side, but we had no trouble. Some might consider clearing in and out of different countries a hassle, but we actually wanted to experience it and learn how it is done... really quite painless. We headed up to Anguilla from Simpson Bay, fun sail and a beautiful place. Would stay longer next time. Had to clear in/out, they let you do it all at once. Then, to French St. Martin and Grand Case where we anchored two nights. Great restos, beach and shopping. Very French, which we loved. Then, on to St. Barts. Had a wild ride over to Anse de Colombier, one of the prettiest anchorages ever. Again, nothing was very crowded, and we were there in Feb 2012. Then, to Gustavia itself. Unfortunately, we were there on a Sunday... if cruise ships aren't around, the whole place is basically closed. We were underwhelmed. We were in outer harbor area, and it was quite rolly. Had a fast, fun downwind passage back to Simpson Bay, and anchored outside the bridge the last night, which worked well. Could do shopping/restos without entering the lagoon, which we did the last morning. In comparing the chartering areas you mention, you will find more challenging sailing/open ocean passages/more reefs and trickier approaches than in the BVI. Horizon is a great company and we seek them out now. Our charter this year is coming up, back to BVI, but with Horizon. We want to do Anegada, conditions permitting. I do get tired of the "musical chairs" phenomenon in BVI, with the mad dash for the daily mooring ball, but it is still a pleasant, beautiful place to sail. I think everyone should do Antigua at least once. Such a sailing mecca with rich history, challenging conditions, sailing over to Barbuda was truly amazing. English Harbour and Falmouth Harbor must-sees, and loved the Shirley Heights Jump-up. On the Grenadines, again, wonderful cruising grounds and incredible beaches/snorkeling and interesting culture. I do believe the Grenadines are for those with more experience, and would not suggest it for someone's first time charter. Also, the "boat boys" who come around to sell you stuff can be harassing at times, and this is something you have to get used to and take in stride. Everyone has a different take on things and different experiences, but hope this helps.
 
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