Spinnaker, hows and whys

Mar 29, 2021
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S2 36 Oakley, CA Delta
I'm the guy with the S2 11A (new to me). The boat is set up for full spinnaker use. I have the 10 ft pole and looks like three control lines with a sliding car on the face of the mast. I have never run a spinnaker and am anxious to learn how. Can anyone recommend a "better than others" book that will help? I've watched several videos, but I need more detail.
Thanks Hal Wenk
 

DArcy

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Feb 11, 2017
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Islander Freeport 36 Ottawa
If you've never flown a spinnaker I suggest you get someone aboard that has a lot of experience with them. Or get on a race boat that flies one and learn that way. Videos and books are great for theory but it's really easy to go horribly wrong with a symmetrical spinnaker and you likely won't learn those pitfalls from a book. As long as there isn't much wind it will likely be only your ego bruised but a bit of wind can put a lot of load on a big sail, best not to break stuff (or yourself) first time you put it up.
 
Jan 18, 2016
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Catalina 387 Dana Point
If you've never flown a spinnaker I suggest you get someone aboard that has a lot of experience with them.
Yup. You can break a whole lotta stuff and/or people when things go wrong with a chute. And they'll go wrong often. You also need crew if you're going to gybe the thing. I've been foredeck/pit before on a two person boat that was way smaller than an 11. We were both overloaded with the spinnaker up, gybes were tough. Three crew would be my minimum for flying a symmetrical spin: somebody to pull strings, somebody to handle the pole, somebody to helm the boat. The S2 11 is a pretty big boat, I'd guess (only a guess) dip pole gybes, you'll need separate guys from the sheets, pole uphaul, and downhaul.

That's a whole lotta strings to be pulling. And if you mess up somebody can go swimming or lose some teeth and the boat could lose the rig. That's not even getting into launching and dousing.

TLDR: Get some assistance with a sym spin. Maybe perfect your white sail downwind abilities first.
 
May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
no no no, i'm just being silly.
flying spinnakers is a hoot. i love flying spinnakers.

now i always sail with a crew. a skilled crew. they all can handle the different positions and pay attention to that which they are assigned.

then throw up a couple of stay sails on my yawl rig. it takes 21 lines. wah hoo.

tips: get these gals for a crew and train them

a big 1 1/2 oz chute in a blow. it's a hoot :cool:
 
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
after 47 seasons i have yet to broach aeolus or the Ascow.
i had lots of training.
 
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
tip: never tie a knot on any of the sail lines. carry a sharp knife on you. crew too.
 

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Oct 22, 2014
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Hal
The Spinnaker is a big sail. You use it in light air. Less than 10 knots. Try it first in about 5 knots to get the hang of raising and lowering it.

You should ask a local sailor if they would come out and help you/show you how to fly it.

Or volunteer to crew on a boat that is racing and fly's their spinnaker. Once you see it done a few times the experimenting is not so crazy.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Practice setting and dousing while tied to a dock. Orient the boat facing downwind, it helps if the boat can move a little from side to side. With it secure you can go through your learning steps with no fear. You can practice setting up the pole, rigging the sail. Your team can practice setting, gybing and dousing in relative safety until they feel confident enough to try it on a light air, small sea day. Then you'll be comfortable enough to concentrate on trimming and tactics and the other fun stuff. You really want at least 2 others to know what's going on. And you need everyone to do everything... that means you also need to work the foredeck and as part of the afterguard. You'll want to know which jobs you can assign to newbies and which jobs require your experienced people. Everyone needs to know how to steer the boat, they need to know how to get the sail down, they need to know how to re pack the sail so it can be used again.

Spinnaker sailing is very exciting and it is a great team building experience. The sailing school I went through at San Diego State culminated in a J-24 class series, where we sailed as a crew of 5 or 6, out in the ocean off Pacific Beach. Way back then we had 4 boats in the fleet and often had opportunities to race each other. The spinnaker sections of the race were the most intense and, by far, the most satisfying. After those classes, I was hooked, and even though I loved racing my Laser and later on my Nacra 5.2, I always found time to sail beer cans on the larger boats and their colorful spinnakers.

John Rousmaniere's "Annapolis Book of Seamanship" was also put out as a video series and has a lengthy segment on symmetrical spinnakers. It's only on a 21 ft Sonar, and it's just him and his 12 year old nephew he's teaching. But... I learned so much watching it I could recommend it. There are a number of YouTube vids.... watch them all. They're free.
 
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Jan 18, 2016
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Catalina 387 Dana Point
Best part of flying a sym spin is bellowing "Blow the guy!" when things start to get out of hand. Sure, the halyard works too (see the 2nd of Jon's videos) but then you end up with a very heavy wet sail to get out of the ocean. Not fun. And of course by that time you've lost the race so the dude in the back that's been yelling the whole time just keeps on yellin.

I actually love flying a spinnaker, definitely wouldn't go sym on my current cruising barge. But asyms are pretty dang fun too, and much less work.
 

higgs

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I think if you study print material and look at u Tube videos you can probably teach yourself how to fly a spinnaker. From my experience if you fly it in air too light - say 5 knots and variable - you run the risk of not keeping it filled and it can end up wrapping around the forestay - something to avoid at all costs. Certainly don't learn in winds over 10 knots.
 
Nov 26, 2012
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I recently rigged my boat with a spinny so kinda similar situation except that I crewed quite a bit on boats with spins. Study up on it on YouTube and get a book, etc. then get someone on your boat with a few folks for crew and walk you through it on a light air day. I know that’s not as easy as it sounds. The main thing is to get out and go through it in light air With your crew. Lots of opportunities for mistakes with a spin.
 
May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
learn, practice, then try it on a 38'er with no keel. all fun


this video shows what a good spinnaker crew looks like on the fly.

maybe the matching hats do help. :cool:
 
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Jun 2, 2007
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Beneteau First 375 Slidell, LA
Best part of flying a sym spin is bellowing "Blow the guy!" when things start to get out of hand.
It's hard for me to imagine a situation where bellowing "blow the guy" would be appropriate. That implies the spinnaker pole swinging uncontrolled into the forestay, usually with considerable force. That in turn can lead to either the pole or the stay breaking, with unpleasant side effects.

Blow the vang, first. If that doesn't work, ease the mainsheet. As a last resort, blow the spinnaker sheet. That's why you didn't tie a knot in the end of it, right?
 
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
when i say 'blow the guy' what they do is open the shackle that attaches the guy to the tack. no swinging of the boom. no refilling of the sail by air or water. the crew pulls the sail down the hatch as the halyard is dumped.
i think it is way safer to drop the sail this way.
so yeah, 'blow the guy' is what we yell
 
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May 25, 2012
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john alden caravelle 42 sturgeon bay, wis
leaving the guy attached during take down would be dangerous i think. this is why you have shackles on spinnaker sheets. so they can be 'blown'
 
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Jun 2, 2007
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Beneteau First 375 Slidell, LA
Sure, just a difference in nomenclature - when I hear "Blow the guy", I think, "Uncleat the guy and let it run free through the blocks". I thought a clarification would be good for those sailors just learning.
 
Jan 18, 2016
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Catalina 387 Dana Point
Hey, I was just trying to inject a bit of humor, although Jon and I agree to the meaning and reason.