I am wondering what is the smallest outboard used to push a Vega..Must get rid of my 9.9 4 stroke, as at age 70 it has become a bear that has overcome me. Zo[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
small pusher
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Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a 3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than the inboard.
Bob Carlisle
Bob Carlisle
Hi Bob,
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: bobnlesafloat@...: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a 3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than the inboard. Bob Carlisle
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: bobnlesafloat@...: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a 3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than the inboard. Bob Carlisle
Dear friends,
I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine.
Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in a
port.
Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.
To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing it
to me.
Of course everyone to its taste.
Regards,
Henk Jansen
V 1786
Naarden Nolland
_____
Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namens
marie marie
Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34
Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Hi Bob,
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou mailto:AlbinVega%40yahoogroups.comFrom ps.comFrom:
bobnlesafloat@ mailto:bobnlesafloat%40yahoo.co.ukDate yahoo.co.ukDate:
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a
3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring
Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket
to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an
emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than
the inboard. Bob Carlisle
I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine.
Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in a
port.
Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.
To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing it
to me.
Of course everyone to its taste.
Regards,
Henk Jansen
V 1786
Naarden Nolland
_____
Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namens
marie marie
Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34
Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Hi Bob,
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou mailto:AlbinVega%40yahoogroups.comFrom ps.comFrom:
bobnlesafloat@ mailto:bobnlesafloat%40yahoo.co.ukDate yahoo.co.ukDate:
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a
3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring
Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket
to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an
emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than
the inboard. Bob Carlisle
Hi
I've just aquired a Vega ( Esprit 3292) and having completed a solo passage down from Friesland via canals, the Islemeer, Markenmeer & North Sea to Scheveningen where she sits, waiting for something approaching normal summer wind ie ANYTHING less than a Force 6, prior to last leg back to Felixstowe.
Normally I'd even consider the 6 but there's no info on the age of the rigging and the insurors will only agree to it being brought across the NS/Channel in 4's or less until its replaced
She's fitted with a 14hp intercooled nanni.
A few questions and observations arise
1. I agree she will sought of respond to the rudder at 3 knots in reverse but how do you get to that speed in the 20m between pontoons in a marina? Running her up to full revs and then cutting the bow rope is not considered a sustainable option!
2. If you do manage to get her up to manouvering speed in reverse almost inevitably you find yourself heading for something large, expensive and unscatched at which point the only alternative is to grab a fistfull of forward gear and the stern disappears off to starboard like a motor bike pulling doughnuts-or am I missing something?
3. When entering locks etc and attempting to moor to starboard with a tail wind how do you slow down without engaging reverse?-at which point the stern canters to port and the bows come smarly into contact with the lock side.
4.How can anything that sails so beautifully manoeuvere so badly?
Before anybody asks YES I WAS WARNED and no I didn't take any notice!!
Right now the 8hp yammi longshaft sitting in the garage is looking very attractive- final question
Does hanging an outboard on the stern affect sailing performance much? at all?
Regards David Chapman
PS
For all those who made it to IFR 2008 which was only 300 odd metres from the swinging mooring I'm trying to get back to
-I hope you all had a great time
- sorry I missed you
-I'll be there next time and Steve if you're reading this can I have my IFR 2008 tee shirt please.
Henk Jansen henk-jansen@... wrote:
Dear friends,
I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine.
Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in a
port.
Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.
To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing it
to me.
Of course everyone to its taste.
Regards,
Henk Jansen
V 1786
Naarden Nolland
_____
Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namens
marie marie
Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34
Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Hi Bob,
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou ps.comFrom:
bobnlesafloat@ yahoo.co.ukDate:
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a
3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring
Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket
to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an
emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than
the inboard. Bob Carlisle
I've just aquired a Vega ( Esprit 3292) and having completed a solo passage down from Friesland via canals, the Islemeer, Markenmeer & North Sea to Scheveningen where she sits, waiting for something approaching normal summer wind ie ANYTHING less than a Force 6, prior to last leg back to Felixstowe.
Normally I'd even consider the 6 but there's no info on the age of the rigging and the insurors will only agree to it being brought across the NS/Channel in 4's or less until its replaced
She's fitted with a 14hp intercooled nanni.
A few questions and observations arise
1. I agree she will sought of respond to the rudder at 3 knots in reverse but how do you get to that speed in the 20m between pontoons in a marina? Running her up to full revs and then cutting the bow rope is not considered a sustainable option!
2. If you do manage to get her up to manouvering speed in reverse almost inevitably you find yourself heading for something large, expensive and unscatched at which point the only alternative is to grab a fistfull of forward gear and the stern disappears off to starboard like a motor bike pulling doughnuts-or am I missing something?
3. When entering locks etc and attempting to moor to starboard with a tail wind how do you slow down without engaging reverse?-at which point the stern canters to port and the bows come smarly into contact with the lock side.
4.How can anything that sails so beautifully manoeuvere so badly?
Before anybody asks YES I WAS WARNED and no I didn't take any notice!!
Right now the 8hp yammi longshaft sitting in the garage is looking very attractive- final question
Does hanging an outboard on the stern affect sailing performance much? at all?
Regards David Chapman
PS
For all those who made it to IFR 2008 which was only 300 odd metres from the swinging mooring I'm trying to get back to
-I hope you all had a great time
- sorry I missed you
-I'll be there next time and Steve if you're reading this can I have my IFR 2008 tee shirt please.
Henk Jansen henk-jansen@... wrote:
Dear friends,
I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine.
Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in a
port.
Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.
To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing it
to me.
Of course everyone to its taste.
Regards,
Henk Jansen
V 1786
Naarden Nolland
_____
Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namens
marie marie
Verzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34
Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Hi Bob,
Do you have a picture of your bracket?
Marie
To: AlbinVega@yahoogrou ps.comFrom:
bobnlesafloat@ yahoo.co.ukDate:
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Do you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a
3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move Spring
Fever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracket
to the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in an
emergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better than
the inboard. Bob Carlisle
We've moved Lyric with a 3HP Nissan. Not fast but moving. We had the dinghy side tied to the boat and the outboard on the dinghy. Best done if somebody aboard the boat does the steering though. Do you have a lift and lower bracket for the 9.9? When we were between inboards (Albin beyond repair, Yanmar not yet installed) we used a 9.9 on the lift and lower bracket and it worked okay. It was a bit difficult at times and I had considered rigging a a block and tackle to help. I like the idea of mounting a bracket on the boarding ladder. Sounds like a good plan. I hope to replace the 3 HP 2 cycle with a 4 stroke 5 or 6 HP as the 3 HP is a bit anemic for serious dinghy work. Longer trips from anchorage to towns, fishing, strong head winds, etc. Walt
PS there is a Tinker on Ebay with sail rig and liferaft option in Portsmouth Virginia. Starting bid is $1000.00
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: henk-jansen@...: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:57 +0200Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Dear friends,I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine. Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in aport.Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing itto me. Of course everyone to its taste.Regards,Henk JansenV 1786 Naarden Nolland_____ Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namensmarie marieVerzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.comOnderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusherHi Bob,Do you have a picture of your bracket?MarieTo: AlbinVega@yahoogrou mailto:AlbinVega%40yahoogroups.comFrom ps.comFrom:bobnlesafloat@ mailto:bobnlesafloat%40yahoo.co.ukDate yahoo.co.ukDate:Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusherDo you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move SpringFever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracketto the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in anemergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better thanthe inboard. Bob Carlisle
PS there is a Tinker on Ebay with sail rig and liferaft option in Portsmouth Virginia. Starting bid is $1000.00
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: henk-jansen@...: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:41:57 +0200Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusher
Dear friends,I have used the Vega for years with the MD6 Volvo Penta engine. Its true that moving backward the Vega is somewhat unpredictable in aport.Once you have a speed of say 3 knots it listens to the rudder.To equip the Vega with a outboard motor extra seems a bit overdoing itto me. Of course everyone to its taste.Regards,Henk JansenV 1786 Naarden Nolland_____ Van: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com] Namensmarie marieVerzonden: donderdag 10 juli 2008 0:34Aan: albinvega@yahoogroups.comOnderwerp: RE: [AlbinVega] small pusherHi Bob,Do you have a picture of your bracket?MarieTo: AlbinVega@yahoogrou mailto:AlbinVega%40yahoogroups.comFrom ps.comFrom:bobnlesafloat@ mailto:bobnlesafloat%40yahoo.co.ukDate yahoo.co.ukDate:Wed, 9 Jul 2008 22:14:28 +0000Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusherDo you want to motor or purely manouvre? If he latter I can report that a3.3hp Mercury has proved itself more than powerful enough to move SpringFever. To be honest, we do have a Volvo inboard, but have fitted a bracketto the boarding ladder which allows us to use our dinghy's outboard in anemergency - for close quarter manouvring in a marina, it worked better thanthe inboard. Bob Carlisle
Not a decent one and to be honest I don't know how to post photos to this forum anyway: I'll try to describe it and if that doesn't work I'll do some sketches, get them scanned and forward them to you - I can't take a photo at the moment as Spring Fever's laid-up in Greece whilst I'm laid up in the UK: -
We have a 4 step boarding ladder, centrally mounted on the stern which hinges in the middle; when in use it hangs vertically into the water, when not, it folds in half with the bottom tread about 6" above deck level.
We fabricated a 6" x 8" x 2" timber plate with a 1.5" x 1" slot in one side, which runs centrally along the long axis, this slot fits over the boarding ladder's bottom step and is held in place by two metal straps which span across the slot, capturing the bottom step and bolted to the timber plate.
With this in place, when we lower the boarding ladder, there is a very comfortable 6" x 8" bottom step; more imprtantly, if we only fold-out/lower the boarding ladder 1/2 way down and then tie it off to the pushpit, this bottom step sticks out about 18" from the stern, is in a vertical axis and positioned about 10-12" above the waterline - the outboard then clamps on in just the same way as it would on the dinghy, with the lashing preventing it from sinking and self-weight keeping it in place; actually when we've used this emergency engine installation (3 times now) we've clamped the outboard on before lowering the ladder.
I hope this makes sense, as I said; if not, let me know and I'll do some sketches.
We have a 4 step boarding ladder, centrally mounted on the stern which hinges in the middle; when in use it hangs vertically into the water, when not, it folds in half with the bottom tread about 6" above deck level.
We fabricated a 6" x 8" x 2" timber plate with a 1.5" x 1" slot in one side, which runs centrally along the long axis, this slot fits over the boarding ladder's bottom step and is held in place by two metal straps which span across the slot, capturing the bottom step and bolted to the timber plate.
With this in place, when we lower the boarding ladder, there is a very comfortable 6" x 8" bottom step; more imprtantly, if we only fold-out/lower the boarding ladder 1/2 way down and then tie it off to the pushpit, this bottom step sticks out about 18" from the stern, is in a vertical axis and positioned about 10-12" above the waterline - the outboard then clamps on in just the same way as it would on the dinghy, with the lashing preventing it from sinking and self-weight keeping it in place; actually when we've used this emergency engine installation (3 times now) we've clamped the outboard on before lowering the ladder.
I hope this makes sense, as I said; if not, let me know and I'll do some sketches.
We bought a 6Hp two stroke Yamaha which is (dealer modified to for us) long shaft and a different pitch propeller to allow for the long heavy boat (2.5 tons).
I have to say it works beyond my wildest dreams.
With out wind the engine will push the boat at 7 knots (full throttle), however we found that at 65% works better (less noise and fuel consumption) and still does about 5.5 knots.
We have pushed against a F8 at 75% throttle and still did a good 3 knots against it. My prior inboard petrol albin in an F8 would not have pointed to the wind and it was a 10 hp, I blame this on the propeller though as well as the 8 ft waves on the beam.
The weight is 25 kg which makes it easy to carry around.
Since you can move the propeller (via moving the engine) direction it gives very good maneuverability in confined spaces (once you get the hang of it).
Down side:
Consumption of petrol is something amazingly high for such a little engine, 3.5 liters of petrol every hr at about 75%.
The engine sits low on the water so to change gears is a challenge
You will need an extension arm to reach the throttle
The engine due to its position will take about .5 knots of boat speed, so for any passage longer than 40 nm I would physically remove from the bracket and put inside the cabin, plus with all the wave action, it can not be good for the bracket, it might break and I would end up engineless and polluting the waters.
The bracket is a cheap 40Kg tested one position aluminum bracket.
I also noticed that now with out the weight of the old engine (I estimate at about 120 kg with all the gear), the boat goes easier up wind, but not sure yet, maybe I just learned a bit more on how to go upwind.
Good luck.
I have to say it works beyond my wildest dreams.
With out wind the engine will push the boat at 7 knots (full throttle), however we found that at 65% works better (less noise and fuel consumption) and still does about 5.5 knots.
We have pushed against a F8 at 75% throttle and still did a good 3 knots against it. My prior inboard petrol albin in an F8 would not have pointed to the wind and it was a 10 hp, I blame this on the propeller though as well as the 8 ft waves on the beam.
The weight is 25 kg which makes it easy to carry around.
Since you can move the propeller (via moving the engine) direction it gives very good maneuverability in confined spaces (once you get the hang of it).
Down side:
Consumption of petrol is something amazingly high for such a little engine, 3.5 liters of petrol every hr at about 75%.
The engine sits low on the water so to change gears is a challenge
You will need an extension arm to reach the throttle
The engine due to its position will take about .5 knots of boat speed, so for any passage longer than 40 nm I would physically remove from the bracket and put inside the cabin, plus with all the wave action, it can not be good for the bracket, it might break and I would end up engineless and polluting the waters.
The bracket is a cheap 40Kg tested one position aluminum bracket.
I also noticed that now with out the weight of the old engine (I estimate at about 120 kg with all the gear), the boat goes easier up wind, but not sure yet, maybe I just learned a bit more on how to go upwind.
Good luck.
2 stoke or 2 cycle outboards are really bad on the fuel economy. They don't burn all of their fuel and a lot of it ends up in the water. 4 stokes are much better in this regard, hence my desire to go to same. Downside is they do weigh more. Our old Nissan 9.9 was mounted on the port side of the transom as our Navik was midline. We did occasionally douse the motor while running with following seas. It still worked okay. We also found that the transom needed beefing up. the bracket with the outboard was pushing it in. Just a few caveats to others considering outboards.
Walt
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: rogerefairest@...: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:30:18 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
We bought a 6Hp two stroke Yamaha which is (dealer modified to for us) long shaft and a different pitch propeller to allow for the long heavy boat (2.5 tons). I have to say it works beyond my wildest dreams. With out wind the engine will push the boat at 7 knots (full throttle), however we found that at 65% works better (less noise and fuel consumption) and still does about 5.5 knots. We have pushed against a F8 at 75% throttle and still did a good 3 knots against it. My prior inboard petrol albin in an F8 would not have pointed to the wind and it was a 10 hp, I blame this on the propeller though as well as the 8 ft waves on the beam. The weight is 25 kg which makes it easy to carry around. Since you can move the propeller (via moving the engine) direction it gives very good maneuverability in confined spaces (once you get the hang of it). Down side: Consumption of petrol is something amazingly high for such a little engine, 3.5 liters of petrol every hr at about 75%. The engine sits low on the water so to change gears is a challenge You will need an extension arm to reach the throttle The engine due to its position will take about .5 knots of boat speed, so for any passage longer than 40 nm I would physically remove from the bracket and put inside the cabin, plus with all the wave action, it can not be good for the bracket, it might break and I would end up engineless and polluting the waters. The bracket is a cheap 40Kg tested one position aluminum bracket. I also noticed that now with out the weight of the old engine (I estimate at about 120 kg with all the gear), the boat goes easier up wind, but not sure yet, maybe I just learned a bit more on how to go upwind. Good luck.
Walt
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: rogerefairest@...: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:30:18 -0700Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] small pusher
We bought a 6Hp two stroke Yamaha which is (dealer modified to for us) long shaft and a different pitch propeller to allow for the long heavy boat (2.5 tons). I have to say it works beyond my wildest dreams. With out wind the engine will push the boat at 7 knots (full throttle), however we found that at 65% works better (less noise and fuel consumption) and still does about 5.5 knots. We have pushed against a F8 at 75% throttle and still did a good 3 knots against it. My prior inboard petrol albin in an F8 would not have pointed to the wind and it was a 10 hp, I blame this on the propeller though as well as the 8 ft waves on the beam. The weight is 25 kg which makes it easy to carry around. Since you can move the propeller (via moving the engine) direction it gives very good maneuverability in confined spaces (once you get the hang of it). Down side: Consumption of petrol is something amazingly high for such a little engine, 3.5 liters of petrol every hr at about 75%. The engine sits low on the water so to change gears is a challenge You will need an extension arm to reach the throttle The engine due to its position will take about .5 knots of boat speed, so for any passage longer than 40 nm I would physically remove from the bracket and put inside the cabin, plus with all the wave action, it can not be good for the bracket, it might break and I would end up engineless and polluting the waters. The bracket is a cheap 40Kg tested one position aluminum bracket. I also noticed that now with out the weight of the old engine (I estimate at about 120 kg with all the gear), the boat goes easier up wind, but not sure yet, maybe I just learned a bit more on how to go upwind. Good luck.