Sizing a roller furler and head sail

[CHSN WND]

I've been in contact with a gent who has a roller furler and 130 jib he'd like to sell. I'm interested in whether it will fit my 1996 H26?

The furler is a CDI FF2, which I believe is appropriate for my boat (max forestay length of 29 feet). The sail is the bigger question - it has a luff of 27', foot of 14' and leach of 25.6').

Will this fit / perform appropriately? I'm currently flying the original Doyle jib and main (which isn't that unusual in the great white north, since we don't get to sail anywhere near as often as you folks in warmer climes...). Both could use a refresh, but are otherwise in very serviceable condition.

I had a furling jib on my last boat and loved the convenience. I know the SBO store can supply me with a new set up, but I have other near-term expenses related to the boat (bimini, tiller, new opening plexi front hatch, new solar vent fan, new depth sounder, refinish all wood - companionway, table, cabinets, floor, step, stern seats, plexi slider - tune up and repaint/badge Nissan OB motor, removal, cleaning and winter storage fees, etc.). So, if a used rig will work, I'd much prefer that price point for now.

Thanks in advance!

 

[justsomeguy]

You'll want to know the length and vintage of the furler (older ones had a sectioned metal foil), whether or not your existing forestay will work with it, and if the 130 has the proper boltrope to fit the foil.

Google CDI furler, and read up on the requirements in the online manual.

Good luck!

 

[CHSN WND]

You'll want to know the length and vintage of the furler (older ones had a sectioned metal foil), whether or not your existing forestay will work with it, and if the 130 has the proper boltrope to fit the foil.

Google CDI furler, and read up on the requirements in the online manual.

Good luck!

Thanks for your help - I appreciate it.

The furler is a flexible furler, so it has a flexible plastic foil. I don't think it's been trimmed, but I'll verify. The jib was used on this furler, so the boltrope will fit properly. The furler can accommodate a max. 3/16" forestay cable and a 5/16th's turnbuckle.

My hope is that Crazy Dave can tell me whether it can fit based on his deep knowledge of the H26. Standing by for your expert guidance, CD!

 

[justsomeguy]

http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF2 manual 7_06.pdf

 

[CHSN WND]

http://www.sailcdi.com/sailpdf/FF2 manual 7_06.pdf

Thanks again!

I'm sure the forestay came in a standard length and diameter - I have the Z Spar mast and boom. All standing rigging is original. In fact, the mast has only been stepped once, when the boat was delivered to the marina back in 1996. It's always been stored outside with mast up and fully rigged.

I'm not terribly technical, but all of the data I've supplied is pertinent to the furler, not the boat. That's my issue, determining whether the furler and sail will fit my boat. There is also a standard jib sail size and even a furling sail dimension, since this site sells them both (yes, they ask customers to measure and I will, but I'm just trying to get a quick read now before I do).

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

The FF2 is the correct one but if the foil or plastic extrusion was cut for another boat, not sure if it long enough without seeing it myself. As for the 130 jib, it will not work that well on the boat due to the deck arrangement and trying to run the jib sheets getting in the way. Remember you have an enlarged main vs. traditional main and that combined with the 110 jib supplied with the boat, in a sense you already have additional sail area for the boat which would equate to that of a standard main and I believe a 140 genoa

For lighter air, I suggest the a symmetrical spinnaker.

 

[CHSN WND]

The FF2 is the correct one but if the foil or plastic extrusion was cut for another boat, not sure if it long enough without seeing it myself. As for the 130 jib, it will not work that well on the boat due to the deck arrangement and trying to run the jib sheets getting in the way. Remember you have an enlarged main vs. traditional main and that combined with the 110 jib supplied with the boat, in a sense you already have additional sail area for the boat which would equate to that of a standard main and I believe a 140 genoa

For lighter air, I suggest the a symmetrical spinnaker.

Thanks, Dave. Guess it's a no-go on the 130 sail. I've requested a quote from a local sail repair shop to re-work the hank-on Doyle sail. Otherwise, this might have to go on my wish list.

 

[flynhi4u]

Rework your headsail

Dave,
Get with your sail man up there and see if he can rework your current headsail with #6 lufftape and then just get a new FF2 for your boat. That way you can have the furler and not have to invest in a new sail since you know the one you have works with the boat. You may need to shorten the head stay and install a strap as I believe your headstay turnbuckle is down in the anchor locker if memory serves me correct. I will look at the H260 across from our slip as they have a FF2 on it. Will send you a pic

Sam in Indiana, waiting on the wind!

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

If you do order a CDI furler, FF2, you will need tangs to lift the bottom drum up. The only measurement is for the Furler itself as the orginal sail will work just fine without having to lengthen it. I would raise the sail up as far as it will go and tie the bottom with a long line. You will understand when the furler is up. You do not have to worry about halyard wrap as the system has it own internal jib halyard which is great.

Attachment of the 260 forestay is different as it attaches to the forestay chainplate on the deck, not below the deck line at the rub rail area like on the 26

 

[CHSN WND]

If you do order a CDI furler, FF2, you will need tangs to lift the bottom drum up. The only measurement is for the Furler itself as the orginal sail will work just fine without having to lengthen it. I would raise the sail up as far as it will go and tie the bottom with a long line. You will understand when the furler is up. You do not have to worry about halyard wrap as the system has it own internal jib halyard which is great.

Attachment of the 260 forestay is different as it attaches to the forestay chainplate on the deck, not below the deck line at the rub rail area like on the 26

Yep I recall seeing the forestay attachment just above the rub rail and the jib clew attachment about 6 or so inches up from the forestay turnbuckle. It makes sense that I'd need to have an attachment to the forestay turnbuckle that would allow the drum to clear the deck.

Still waiting for my sail guy to respond. He's had some health issues so he's not as fast as usual, but he's a good guy and does good and affordable work. Hopefully soon...

 

[CHSN WND]

In re-visiting my forestay arrangement, there is a tang in place for the jib tack. It might work, might not work; it's relatively short and might not allow enough clearance for the drum. I'll post a picture tomorrow in hopes someone can comment on whether or not it'll suffice for the drum.

I've ordered up the FF2 and sourced a local sail maker to re-work the jib. Need to either find someone who can re-size the forestay or perhaps someone who can just install the whole assembly. It sounds like installation is fairly straight forward, but I'm not very technical and would not want to mess this up.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

send me an email with phone and I will call

dave condon aka crazy dave

 

[isaksp00]

I have a Harken, not CDI, furler, so know nothing about how yours attaches. I had to repair my foils once, and had to cut the stay and order a new one, and had to attach the new upper fitting myself.

If it turns out you must cut the forestay and cannot find a rigger to help you (I assume you could always have it done by mail) there is that one option where you can do it yourself. On mine, the fittings must be swaged on (well, the second of the two you do) after the aluminum foils are on, and you can't ship a roughly 30 ft + assembly. I had to do it near the boat.

I used a Hayn HiMod fitting for the upper end, after having sized and ordered a new stay by mail, with the lower already swaged on (that is the threaded stud that must match the threads on the Harken turnbuckles section). That only requires simple tools and some appropriate caulk of an exact type to attach. Now, it is not too hard to do, but is a bit intricate when you have to unravel the outer layer of the wire rope and lay the strands into the fitting, so if you are really not at all handy, maybe skip it. If the CDI lets you swage both fitting ends and then attach the foil, I'd order one already swaged.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

With the Hunter 26, the forestay if I recall but it has been years, I use to take something like a Norseman or comparable brand fitting to put on but as many will say in order to shorten it adding the tangs, you. have to be careful to do it right the first time. I have faced time on my phone which has been working well in helping others as long as the other person has that capability as well.

 

[CHSN WND]

With the Hunter 26, the forestay if I recall but it has been years, I use to take something like a Norseman or comparable brand fitting to put on but as many will say in order to shorten it adding the tangs, you. have to be careful to do it right the first time. I have faced time on my phone which has been working well in helping others as long as the other person has that capability as well.

Hi Dave - I'll email you. I don't yet have the furler - should arrive this week (I think - they said it was in stock and available to ship the day after I ordered it).

Sorry I didn't reply sooner - I was down at the marina yesterday working on the salon table.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

If the furler comes in a coil, do not loosen until you talk with me so I can give you some guidance. Otherwise, you could break something or get hurt. I will explain when we talk.

 

[Kermit]

If the furler comes in a coil, do not loosen until you talk with me so I can give you some guidance. Otherwise, you could break something or get hurt. I will explain when we talk.

Or hand it to your ex-wife and say, "Here. Hold this!"

 

[CHSN WND]

Or hand it to your ex-wife and say, "Here. Hold this!"

Kermit, I like how you think haha! Course, now we all know why you and Miss Piggy split up...

Dave, I will talk with you before I do anything. As always, thanks for the good advice!

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

I wonder wonder who which woman to give the coil when unleashed to Mr. Kermit????