single-handing O'Day 23

Jun 14, 2015
21
Oday 23 Clinton Lake
Hi all,

I have an O'Day 23 and would like to move toward single-handed sailing, starting on light days. Any advice on rigging and procedure would be appreciated. Currently, the rigging is pretty standard as far as I can tell.

Thanks for any advice.
 
May 25, 2015
176
Macgregor, Hunter Venture 21, H25 Candlewood
Run the halyards to the cockpit.
I also rigged a down haul for the jib so I can drop it to the deck from the cockpit.

Something to hold the tiller helps to for when you need 3 hands for reefing the main or some other odd chores.
 
Apr 4, 2013
115
O'day 240 NY, NY (City Island)
Barton Marine "winchers," which convert your standard winches into self-tailing winches, also can be a big help.

Farther down the list would be lazy jacks.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
I highly recommend the WaveFront Marine Tiller Clutch. http://wavefrontmarine.com

I thought our chandlery here on the site sold them, but I don't find them. I'd give Phil a calla and ask him...
 
Oct 19, 2009
97
oday 22 Lake New Melones
I enjoy singlehanded sailing and have learned techniques for stepping the mast, launching, sailing, reefing. I started out on a lake and currently sail SF Bay.
Some days are bliss, some are challenging. I am always learning.

First rule, Stay On The Boat!

A tiller tamer or tiller pilot is very helpful.
Lines to cockpit. Downhaul for the jib.
Learn to heave-to. This give you time to think when you need it.
Plan ahead.
Check out http://sfbaysss.org/main/
Stay on the Boat !
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,038
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
Depends on what your sailing waters are. I'm on an inland lake and aside from a furler, I have nothing that really aids in single handling. I did make a redneck tiller tamer out of a bungee and a length of old line. For me, single handling involves more planning, really, since I don't have someone who can go forward or below for me, but otherwise I find it relatively easy in light winds. And I second the recommendation on learning to heave-to. My boat takes time to settle down, but once it does, it bobs along easily.
 
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Aug 25, 2014
21
O'Day 25CB Claremore, OK, Redbud Marina
I agree with all previous suggestions. I might add making a list of pre-sail checks and tasks, check fuel and battery, etc. Also, reef before sailing and run a jib instead of the big gent if it's gusty. You'll thank yourself later. Keep the fenders handy for docking, maybe even let them dangle while on the water. Hoist the main with the bow to the wind to help orient the boat for raising the jib.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
WHAAAAAT?

Don't let your fenders dangle while sailing. What the heck is that going to do for you, except make you look like a landlubber? :eek::eek::eek:

I understand the idea that it should be easy to hang fenders for when you are GOING to dock. But I see no need to let 'em dangle while you're out sailing. :cussing:

I tie my fenders to my stanchion bases using rolling hitches. It is a very quick knot to tie and untie, and it allows me to remove the fenders for stowage in the lazarette. I don't recommend hanging them from lifelines. My boat came with bronze snap clips on fenders. Every time I took them off, they'd fall onto the deck with a loud crack, and made me worry about chipped gelcoat. (I chip the gelcoat just fine when the plexiglass hatch boards slip out of my grip onto the seats and bridgedeck, thankyouverymuch! :doh::doh::doh:)

When I am ready to head in, some several hundred yards outside the marina, I drop my hank on jib standing in the cabin, so I can reach the mast. I haul it down using my jib downhaul line. (If you'd like details on how I made that, let me know.) Sometimes, I use the jib sheets to pull the clew over the lifelines and onto the deck. Cleating the jib sheets snug, and cleating off the downhaul, controls the jib from blowing all over the deck and over the side. Then I fire up the motor, and use the Tiller Clutch to set her head to wind at a slow idle. She doesn't always like to stay like this, so I don't dally. I take a sail tie in my teeth, go up the side deck to the mast, and drop the main. Standing on the cabin, I throw that sail tie around the sail. It's long enough for a few wraps. It's enough to control the main, and keep it out of the way while I motor in. Finally, I grab the fenders out of the lazarette, and rolling hitch them to the stanchion bases, down close to the deck where they have little leverage, but stay where I want 'em. Now I'm ready to motor in to the marina and my slip.

I tell you, I can't do any of this without something to hold my tiller. A Davis Tiller Tamer will work, but I hate them. The Wave Front Marine Tiller Clutch is the best I've seen (and use on all my boats.) The Can Sail Tiller Clutch gets good reviews. A guy in our club swears by a design sold by Catalina Direct: https://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1933/itiller-stayi-tiller-controller.cfm

I've had guests try and steer the boat into the wind, with varying success. Even people who I think should be able to do it, not so much. Some day, I suppose I could invest in a tiller pilot, for the ultimate in luxury... :D:D:D


Keep the fenders handy for docking, maybe even let them dangle while on the water. Hoist the main with the bow to the wind to help orient the boat for raising the jib.
 
Aug 25, 2014
21
O'Day 25CB Claremore, OK, Redbud Marina
Jeez! I never thought I'd catch so much grief for my dangly fenders! Some of us aren't as young as we used to be!

In all seriousness, I was trying to indicate that some tasks are more important than others. I'd put fender management near the bottom of the list. And, no, I don't sail with my fenders in the water ;)
 
Oct 10, 2009
1,038
Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
The 23 has a lot of freeboard and so can misbehave while you head to the mast. I usually tie off the tiller to keep it from smacking the backstay, content to bob whichever way the wind blows me until I fire up the motor and head in after flaking the sails AND HANGING MY FENDERS.
 
Jun 14, 2015
21
Oday 23 Clinton Lake
Again,

Thank you for the advice. To clarify, I am on a lake in Illinois and boat is on a mooring ball. Main issue seems to be simply hoisting the sails and catching the mooring line. Light winds expected for the fourth, so will likely go out, even with all the power boats.
 
Jun 3, 2015
24
O´Day DSII 17 Corpus Christi
BrianS, could you post details/pictures of your single-handing set-up? This is something I plan to be able to do myself. I already purchased the tiller clutch, I have a diagram of the Jib down-haul set-up from another forum, but I like to see different set-ups to learn and decide which would be better for me.

I have a Balboa 26' and a 17' Oday DSII. I would like to single-hand them both, even if I do have others on board, but that might not know how to help or can´t. Thanks!
 
Jun 14, 2015
21
Oday 23 Clinton Lake
Hi all,

Just wanted to let everyone know I did my first single-handed sail. Real light winds, used rope and bungee cords to lash the tiller. I am going to wait until next year to run halyards aft. Want to practice changing jibs, reefing, etc. In lighter winds.

The hardest part was hooking the mooring ball!

BrianS, I would like to see some pictures of your setup as well.
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Hey Guys! 4father is from Oklahoma, it probably is proper to keep your fenders hanging there! ha Chief

PS: Just teasing!
 
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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
I'll see what I can do for pics. Buying a house is killing my sailing season. Last night I bought a new dresser from IKEA. It's double-wide, and the most complicated assembly I think I've done from them. As of bedtime last night, only the cabinet is together, I just didn't have enough time to put the drawers together, too. If it's not storming AGAIN tonight, I guess it'll be a lawn work evening. Whenever am I going to be able to visit the boat again? :cry::cry::cry:

Here is a picture of my Tiller Clutch installation:



Note that my control line (purple) is not the same the Tiller Clutch ships with. This is because I have some Dyneema cored line of same diameter, so I used that for less stretch on the control line.

Some notes on a TC install: Instructions say to mount it very close to then end of the tiller. On my smaller boat, I found that sometimes releasing my grip during a tack would inadvertently engage the lever. For the big boat, I moved it back on the tiller a bit more, as seen in the pic.

For control line routing, you need to balance cockpit obstruction with control line slackening. I had a long discussion with the maker of the TC, Pete, and we talked about the diagram in his instructions, where the line goes back to turning blocks on the transom, and then forward to cleats. The same effect could be achieved with cleats at the point of the turning blocks - the diagram just shows a setup to get the line out of the way. My installation with fairlead clam cleats on the top of the transom coaming is about the same effective angle as the diagram. I use clam cleats so I can easily adjust the control line tension. Be aware that ideal mounting point for the ends of the control line are on the side coaming where the hole in the TC would touch the coaming if the tiller were hard over. This cleat position would make a very obtuse angle of the control line, which approximates the arc of travel of the TC hole (as close as a triangle shape will allow.) This is notable because as you move the tiller off of the centerline, slack will develop in the control line system. (Damn you, Pythagoras!) If you make the angle of the control line more acute, you will get greater slack as you move off the centerline. If you make the cleats too close to the centerline, the angle will be too acute and won't have much leverage to hold the tiller at all. My setup is fairly acute. I would like to go with a more obtuse angle so there is less slack.

A guy I know has worked out a way to combat this slack. He has a Precision 165 with aft quarter mooring cleats similar to the ones on my boat. He takes one end of the control line and cleats to the quarter cleat. It runs through the tiller clutch, and then he has attached a stout bungee cord with hook to the other end of the control line. This gets hooked to the other quarter cleat, with the bungee under some tension. Because the bungee is stout, it resists the tiller coming off station when on tack on the same side as bungee, when it is pulling due to weather helm. Because the bungee is stretched a bit, when you take the tiller off centerline, the bungee pulls slack out of the system. I suspect that the bungee will also pull enough consistent tension and friction on the system, that I could trim my sails for neutral helm and hands-free sailing, without engaging the clutch. (I generally only do this while sitting in the cockpit. If I'm going below or forward, I do lock the clutch.) I haven't tried this setup, but I need to.

I will try to get pics of my hank-on jib downhaul line. It's very simple, really. I use a 2" piece of grey PVC electrical conduit, sawed with a slit down the length. I then filed notches in the ends of the slit, to make it easier to force over the forestay (that slit is very tightly compressed once you have sawed it. I was surprised by this.) Then I have drilled 2 in-line holes, about 3/8" in from the ends. I used 3/16" double braid polyester Samson LS Yacht Braid from this site's chandlery, cheapest I could find at the time. I believe the similar from www.cajunrope.com is currently $0.02/ft less expensive. This goes in one hole, up through the middle of the piece of conduit, and out the other hole, secured with an overhand knot. This "slider" goes between my top and next down hank. Or did I start running it above the top hank? Hmmm, can't remember. I don't have a headboard on the jib, so maybe I did go above the top hank... Some people reeve the line through one or two hanks next to the forestay, to help prevent it flopping around so much, but I found too much binding friction. So I lashed 2 3/4" welded stainless steel rings to the hanks using sailmaker's polyester twine, about 1/3rd and 2/3rds up the luff. The downhaul reeves through these rings, with very minimal friction. On my boat, there is a U bolt through the deck just aft of the stemhead fitting, where the original wire luff furling drum attached. I have a single block shackled to this U bolt. If your boat has 3 holes in the stemhead fitting, you could put forestay into forward most hole, jib tack in middle, and turning block at aft most hole. Or maybe shackle the turning block through the same shackle you use for the jib tack. From the turning block, the outhaul runs down the side deck to a bullseye fairlead already installed where the original furler line ran. You could also attach one or two turning blocks to stanchion bases. From my fairlead, the line runs to a small horn cleat mounted to the side of the house, right at the back corner. When hoisting and dousing the jib, if I stand in the open cabin with hatch cover slid forward, I can reach the jib halyard horn cleat, and the downhaul line. So I usually hoist and douse standing in the cabin, the benefits of a small boat. Usually the jib falls down most of the way on its own, but I've got that downhaul when I need it. With the downhaul pulled all the way down and cleated off, and both jib sheets cleated with the clew close to the centerline, the jib does not blow off, and the head does not try to sail up the forestay in the wind. I coil the excess and loop it like a cow hitch to the lifeline. My biggest problem is that the downhaul compresses all the hanks onto the threaded turnbuckle stud swage, and the hanks twist and bind on this swage in a way that they do not on the wire. I would like to find some kind of collar I can attach to the wire above the swage, so that the hanks do not slide down onto the swage.

Finally, in lieu of leading halyards aft, with turning blocks at mast base, and deck organizers, and cleats or clutches mounted to the house, I have found a simpler solution for small boats. For my spinnaker halyard, I have mounted a swiveling cam cleat to the mast. It is item 11.70 on this page: http://www.sailcare.com/bb-blocks-516.shtml The line comes down the mast, turns in the sheave, and out through the cam cleat. My halyard is long enough that it reaches from the back of the cabin in the cockpit. I can hoist the chute and cleat off from the cockpit or down in the cabin, launching out of the open hatch, or taking down into the open hatch. (Someday I should build a PVC frame to sit over the hatch, with a fabric "hamper" hanging down. If I raced frequently, I would have done so already.) Anyway, I have considered moving the jib and main halyards to these kinds of cleats, instead of the horn cleats mounted to the sides of the mast. I know of another O'day 192 in my marina who has done this. Personally, I have no problem going to the mast up the starboard side deck to hoist and douse the main. Where I would really like to have this swiveling cleat arrangement is on the jib halyard, because no matter how hard I pull on the jib halyard on a windy day, I seem to get some scalloping in the jib luff after sailing a bit, necessitating me trying to tension the halyard again (which is a PITA with a horn cleat.) A swiveling cam cleat would allow me to just pull harder on the line, and the cams would grip, allowing for very easy tensioning. The biggest drawback to one of these swiveling cam cleats is that you will have nowhere to store the loops of excess line once the sails are hoisted. You can't hang the loops like you can with a horn cleat, and the taut halyard is held off the mast far enough that you cannot stuff the loops under it if that is the way you prefer to trap the excess. (I don't like that method, because the jib sheets get caught up on the loops more than when I hang the coils off the horn cleat.) On the Viadana cleat, there is that large hole through the body underneath the turning sheave, which I suppose you could rig some self-adhering Velcro strips to gather the loops of line. Meh, might be too fiddly...

I hope some of these descriptions help. I will try to get pics, but right now our forecasts are looking crappy with rain until Friday..
 

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Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Here are pictures of my jib downhaul setup.

Here is the front end:



That other block laying on the deck is for the tack line of my asymmetrical spinnaker.


Here is a closeup of the slider, showing the slit and notching I cut to be able to get it on and off the forestay:



You can also see that since I don't have a headboard on my jib, I run the slider above the top hank. If there was a headboard, it would probably be better between the top and next lower hank.


Here you can see the rings lashed to the "loop" of the hank with waxed polyester sailmaker's twine:




And finally the routing down the side deck to the cleat:




Here's a pic of my spinnaker halyard lashed as best I can to the swiveling cam cleat:



I guess if I wanted to run the jib halyard through such a cam cleat, I'd have to mount it below the horn cleat, and move my USCG Courtesy Examination sticker...


And finally, I figured I'd show my "high angle fairlead" cam cleats for my jib sheets. These are so much better than the Schaffer cleats that came stock on the boat:

 

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Jun 3, 2015
24
O´Day DSII 17 Corpus Christi
Wow, your boats looks in such good shape. Congratulations... I am so far from having mine look so good! Thank you so much for the pictures and description. I appreciate it!

Patricia
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
Ha! Thanks! Please don't look at the Cetol flaking off the teak hatch runners. I gotta do something about that next season...

Wow, your boats looks in such good shape. Congratulations... I am so far from having mine look so good! Thank you so much for the pictures and description. I appreciate it!

Patricia